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Sorry, never liked Rose. One the biggest academic cheaters in NCAA history - at least among high profile players.
 
I think DWade had his meniscus completely removed back in college. Early word is that doctor's say this tear isn't as serious as the one from last year so it could be partially removed. Normally people don't go through two full repairs. Secondary tears are not and oddity (see Westbrook). Guess we will see what they do.

Which means Wade's was worse.
I'm not totally sure this injury implies he needs to retire soon. Brandon Roy, who I think is the best comparison, had knees in much worse shape and actually admitted he just didn't want to deal with the pain anymore while he couldn't play basketball at as high of a level as he once was playing. I think what it does suggest, though, is he needs to be playing significantly less-playing time. I also think what this season shows is he could be very good as an offensive leader off the bench. He could still be useful closing out 4th quarters but it is all about finding the right spot.

I do think the Bulls will try and stick with Rose, but not as a star player. I don't think he will be able to pull a Z in start, or at least play starter's minutes, in the NBA. I frankly don't believe he should've been this year anyways. But, I think what your statement implies is that his career as a starter, and especially MVP caliber player, are over and most basketball fans agree with that. The questions are where he will play and in what role. My bet is he will be a Bull for life but in a significantly reduced role.


Dwayne Wade has played for years with a knee in worse shape.

Christ he tore his meniscus. He doesn't need micro fracture surgery. This is really the equivalent of his first surgery for the cartilage as he originally tired to repair it.

Will his knee eventually cause his minutes to decrease? Yes. But there's no reason he can't have another 5 elite years with possible maintaince in between.
 
Sorry, never liked Rose. One the biggest academic cheaters in NCAA history - at least among high profile players.
The thing is, there is nothing he can do about his IQ. If he needed to cheat to be able to play a year in college to have a chance to make the NBA, what is wrong with that? He's about as dumb as you can be and still function as a normal adult. What other chance for success did he have other than basketball? He did what he had to do.
 
Sorry, never liked Rose. One the biggest academic cheaters in NCAA history - at least among high profile players.

To be honest, Derrick Rose should never have been forced through the bullshit NCAA system. He would've been drafted out of high school if only given the chance.

I'm not for high school drafting, but the way the NCAA is operated is a total sham. Those young men are being exploited. Create a separate league...
 
The thing is, there is nothing he can do about his IQ. If he needed to cheat to be able to play a year in college to have a chance to make the NBA, what is wrong with that? He's about as dumb as you can be and still function as a normal adult. What other chance for success did he have other than basketball? He did what he had to do.

If you are too dumb to get into Memphis without cheating AND getting caught, then I doubt you can manage to be successful in the NBA, regardless of your talent. JMO.
 
Well.....he was pretty successful.
 
To be honest, Derrick Rose should never have been forced through the bullshit NCAA system. He would've been drafted out of high school if only given the chance.

I'm not for high school drafting, but the way the NCAA is operated is a total sham. Those young men are being exploited. Create a separate league...

They have those. The D-League and foreign leagues. The problem is that the D-League doesn't pay anything and foreign leagues are probably pretty daunting to guys just finishing high school in the US. I agree though that the NCAA system as-is is bullshit.

Rose is still really dumb, though. You basically need to be able to walk and chew gum to get an SAT score high enough to get into college on an athletic scholarship.
 
Sorry, the NCAA is not a club team system, it's still a university. We're not talking about Ivy League or even Big Ten academic standards here. You literally just need a pulse to post a score.
 
Sorry, no link, but Rose surgery successful and "minor" -- apparently should return to play within 4-6 weeks.
 
They have those.

No they don't.

The D-League and foreign leagues.

The D-League could be transformed into what I'm talking about, but as it is, it isn't really the same thing. Foreign leagues are just that, foreign.

The problem is that the D-League doesn't pay anything and foreign leagues are probably pretty daunting to guys just finishing high school in the US. I agree though that the NCAA system as-is is bullshit.

Right, I'm thinking of something similar to the NCAA as it is now, just remove the academic component. It could still be run by towns or local universities; just not require academics. Not everyone is an academic.

Rose is still really dumb, though.

I wouldn't say that. I think I'm a pretty smart guy, smart enough to know that intelligence can manifest itself in many different ways. He may not be very knowledgeable with respect to what is on the SAT.

You basically need to be able to walk and chew gum to get an SAT score high enough to get into college on an athletic scholarship.

His scores were... really low. But again, as an adult, with a talent and skill that people want to see; why should it matter?
 
Sorry, never liked Rose. One the biggest academic cheaters in NCAA history - at least among high profile players.

Don't blame the player, blame the stupid system that is in place. He's a kid from a rough neighborhood in Chicago that would have gone to the pros straight from high school if he was allowed. School isn't for everyone, especially someone going through the Chicago public school system. By many accounts, Rose is actually a great, likable person on and off the court.
 
Whether Rose comes back this season or not is irrelevant. He and the Bulls are done.
 

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