The Jimmy Haslam Thread

[The Oi]

You have herpes.

Herpes is actually a pretty good comparison for the Browns, with one major difference.

With herpes, like the Browns, the first time you realize it's part of your life it really fucking sucks for a few weeks. Then it goes away for a while and comes back again to be annoying as shit. This happens a few times in a row and each time herpes/Browns are vaulted to the forefront of your life, they're annoying and inconvenient.

The difference is that eventually herpes gets better.

 

[godfather]

View: https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/563358831972204544

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He says that as if they've earned the benefit of the doubt. Withers is missing the point. There's always some turmoil going on with this franchise. Fans rightfully so are just tired of it.

Start winning games, starting acting stable, and people will back off the ledge when it comes to this poorly run franchise.

 

[MoFlo]

We've been talking about upgrading our QB situation since 99'. Anybody have any other ideas on how to handle it?

Kidnapping? Loan one from Ohio State?

 

[Soda]

We've been talking about upgrading our QB situation since 99'. Anybody have any other ideas on how to handle it?

No. They get one shot. If they don't find the right guy the first time, they're fired.

Rinse and repeat. Impossible to learn from mistakes when the first one is the last one.

 

[godfather]

Why do we always have to take a QB in the first round? I mean, I know general wisdom says the best are available there. Is their scout team that worthless, though?

They obviously can't find jack shit in the first round to begin with.

Can't they do actual work? It seems overall this organization couldn't find a talent if it wasn't staring them in the face.

 

[MalTalm]

Why do we always have to take a QB in the first round? I mean, I know general wisdom says the best are available there. Is their scout team that worthless, though?

They obviously can't find jack shit in the first round to begin with.

Can't they do actual work? It seems overall this organization couldn't find a talent if it wasn't staring them in the face.

There's a difference between going and getting a top end 1st round QB and grabbing a guy at the bottom of the 1st...

Weeden, Quinn and Manziel were not top end talents... We haven't taken a QB at the top of the draft since Couch, and he's arguably the best QB we've had since '99.

 

[Chris]

You have herpes.

Derp.

 

[Chris]

Why do we always have to take a QB in the first round? I mean, I know general wisdom says the best are available there. Is their scout team that worthless, though?

They obviously can't find jack shit in the first round to begin with.

Can't they do actual work? It seems overall this organization couldn't find a talent if it wasn't staring them in the face.

We seriously haven't taken a real 1st round QB in a long ass time. Quinn dropped like a rock on draft day, Weeden we all knew sucked, and most believed Manziel wasn't going to be good either.

How often do we take a bona fide guy in the 1st that people believe in? Like someone else said, Couch was probably the last one.

 

[godfather]

There's a difference between going and getting a top end 1st round QB and grabbing a guy at the bottom of the 1st...

Weeden, Quinn and Manziel were not top end talents... We haven't taken a QB at the top of the draft since Couch, and he's arguably the best QB we've had since '99.

Yeah, but don't you notice a common theme? They always seem to pick the household "name".

Regardless of where they stack up in the draft, or to other scouts.

Brady Quinn

Brandon Weeden

Johnny Manziel

Colt McCoy

Charlie Frye might be the only guy that wasn't a known commodity that they did draft.

These are some of the recent QB's that come to mind. Most casual college football fans all knew who they were.

They were popular/successful for what they did in college, programs they went to, etc...

These were probably all QBs they didn't really like that much either, but were 3 or 4th on their board, and fall back options. Which is a pretty bad way to draft a QB.

Just because a guy is projected in the 2-3 rounds, doesn't mean some teams don't actually like these QBs better than some of the ones projected in the first round.

But knowing the Browns, it wouldn't surprise me if they're even scouting some of these lesser known guys.

 

[godfather]

We seriously haven't taken a real 1st round QB in a long ass time. Quinn dropped like a rock on draft day, Weeden we all knew sucked, and most believed Manziel wasn't going to be good either.

How often do we take a bona fide guy in the 1st that people believe in? Like someone else said, Couch was probably the last one.

We just did in the last two drafts. Both guys known for what they did in "college" too, and came into the league with large question marks on how they'd fit in the pros.

Maybe they weren't seen as "real" first rounders to you, but Johnny at one point was in conversation to go number one overall. A lot of people had Weeden as a first round pick, but the biggest question mark was his age. If it wasn't for his age, he probably would have went higher even. But both were legit first round picks at the time.

My point is, the Browns seem to have a very narrow view when it comes to drafting the position.

I don't think there should be any rule applied to where you draft a QB. It's hard, and sure, sometimes you need a little luck too. But, I'd actually be more confident if they draft a lesser known guy come this draft. It might tell me the Browns really did their homework for once.

 

[Chris]

We just did in the last two drafts. Both guys known for what they did in "college" too, and came into the league with large question marks on how they'd fit in the pros.

Maybe they weren't seen as "real" first rounders to you, but Johnny at one point was in conversation to go number one overall. A lot of people had Weeden as a first round pick, but the biggest question mark was his age. If it wasn't for his age, he probably would have went higher even. But both were legit first round picks at the time.

My point is, the Browns seem to have a very narrow view when it comes to drafting the position.

I don't think there should be any rule applied to where you draft a QB. It's hard, and sure, sometimes you need a little luck too. But, I'd actually be more confident if they draft a lesser known guy come this draft. It might tell me the Browns really did their homework for once.

No offense but did you not read my whole fucking post or did you just reply the second you saw "1st round QB" ?

Weeden sucked. I don't know if anybody supported that pick. Some talking heads saying on TV that Manziel would be a star doesn't count for anything- if you read anything about it, the odds were heavily stacked against him to be a great NFL QB. Calling him highly touted is laughable. Again, why did he fall to us?

I guess despite him falling in the draft you can count Quinn since people legitimately did think he was good. But man he sucked too.

 

[godfather]

No offense but did you not read my whole fucking post or did you just reply the second you saw "1st round QB" ?

Weeden sucked. I don't know if anybody supported that pick. Some talking heads saying on TV that Manziel would be a star doesn't count for anything- if you read anything about it, the odds were heavily stacked against him to be a great NFL QB. Calling him highly touted is laughable. Again, why did he fall to us?

I guess despite him falling in the draft you can count Quinn since people legitimately did think he was good. But man he sucked too.

Weeden sucked in college? Manziel sucked in college? Really, that's news to me.

Yes, I get they have sucked in the NFL. Besides the point I was making. These were BIG NAMES! They were first round prospects, regardless of their question marks! What about that do you not get?

Dude, Mel Kiper was comparing Weeden to Roger Staubach! He said he without a doubt would be a higher prospect if it wasn't for his age.

Just because a lot of people on this board thought they sucked, doesn't prove anything. I get these guys weren't top of the board first round prospects, but they were still top prospects in the draft! Question marks, or not.

 

[Chris]

Weeden sucked in college? Manziel sucked in college? Really, that's news to me.

Yes, I get they have sucked in the NFL. Besides the point I was making. These were BIG NAMES! They were first round prospects, regardless of their question marks! What about that do you not get?

Dude, Mel Kiper was comparing Weeden to Roger Staubach! He said he without a doubt would be a higher prospect if it wasn't for his age.

Just because a lot of people on this board thought they sucked, doesn't prove anything. I get these guys weren't top of the board first round prospects, but they were still top prospects in the draft! Question marks, or not.

Show me any prospect being talked about on television that guys like Mel Kiper are NOT talking up and sucking the dick of. That's draft time for you. Brandon Weeden...was never going to be good. Manziel...had so much going against him I'd say the vast majority did not see a bright NFL future for him. I find it hilarious that people on here will quote Mel Kiper when it helps their argument but every other time will talk about how much of an idiot he is.

This is not difficult: stop taking quarterbacks that have so many goddam question marks. If you're taking a QB in the first round, please make sure he isn't a 30 year old statue, or a 5'11 guy who made his mark in college by running but will get run down by D linemen in the NFL. Stop taking guys like this. I am fully in agreement with you in that they need to stop taking first round QBs (that is your point, right?)...but that's only if they're going to insist on blowing those first round picks on guys riddled with question marks. Those guys are to be taken after the 1st round. You have to land surefire studs in the first round or it sets your franchise back. We've taken zero in the last 5 years and look where we are. Same place we started.

A better option would be to stop sucking. I'm still amused that we did not take Bridgewater this year. They can put some fans in charge of the draft and this team would be turned around in no time. But the football experts can't hit on a first round pick to save their lives.

We are in general agreement here but we just disagree that Brandon fucking Weeden and Johnny Manziel were highly touted prospects. Big names, maybe, but had an absurd amount of flaws. If they didn't they would have gone in the top 10. Instead they dropped like meteors and would have been out of the 1st round if the Browns weren't historically inept.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Looks like we have ourselves an old-fashioned pissing contest going on.

 

[godfather]

Mel Kiper an idiot? I mean, sure, I don't always agree with his selections, but the man would be completely out of a job if he had no idea what he was talking about. Also, Mel has never been shy blasting teams for poor selections in his opinion, on air.

I don't get how hard this is to grasp. Yes, I KNOW Manziel and Weeden both sucked. For the record, I myself didn't like either prospect either.

But they were first round prospects, regardless of yours, mine, and others opinions.

Joe Flacco and Aaron Rodgers were late first round picks, that happen to turn out good. We can look now in hindsight now, and clearly say Weeden and Manziel had no business being taken in the first round. Which is obvious now.

It's not like these guys being drafted in the first round came out of thin air, that's my point.

I wasn't inferring they were top overall touted prospects, but first round? Yes, that's highly touted to me. Maybe our opinion differs on what is highly touted, but if you're a projected first round pick in the NFL, that's very high. You did something to warrant that.

Johnny was the most polarizing prospect probably ever. There were a lot of varying opinions on him.

I do agree with you completely though, they need to stop taking guys they're not that interested in. I do NOT think Manziel and Weeden were QBs they were that interested in, they were the best rated guys left on the board when they were ready to draft.

Well Manziel it was questionable, some had Bridgewater higher. Weeden was the best QB prospect left when they were on the clock at 22. That's my entire point.

Why do they always have to draft the name with the most sizzle, or the best "supposed" prospect left?

To me, it's lazy, and their way of saying "we have no idea what we're doing, we're just picking names out of a hat".