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She’d never come to Cleveland now. They don’t have a big enough venue and CBS is a shit hole. But thanks for being a smartass.
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She played Paul Brown Stadium, which is one year younger and seats 2,000 less than CBS. But yes, come up with more excuses.

A fancier stadium isn't drawing 40 million dollar Taylor Swift concerts. Cleveland is the 3rd city in this state, it's not going to end up a destination city because they spend a billion on a sports stsdium. Not to mention very few acts do stadium shows anymore, and those who do are in their 70s and beginning to die. This is pie in sky economics that flat out doesn't apply in Cleveland.
 
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She played Paul Brown Stadium, which is one year younger and seats 2,000 less than CBS. But yes, come up with more excuses.

A fancier stadium isn't drawing 40 million dollar Taylor Swift concerts. Cleveland is the 3rd city in this state, it's not going to end up a destination city because they spend a billion on a sports stsdium. Not to mention very few acts do stadium shows anymore, and those who do are in their 70s and beginning to die. This is pie in sky economics that flat out doesn't apply in Cleveland.

I never said anything about Taylor Swift, i really care less wehre she plays, why did you give me that quote?
 
Let's do a little quick and dirty math.

A brand new stadium is gonna cost *at least* $2 BILLION dollars to build. The majority of that will be funded by the taxpayers.

Let's round up and say a Taylor Swift concert would bring in $50M in revenue.

$50 million is only 2.5% of $2 billion. You're still *checks notes* 97.5% short of making your money back. And it's not like Taylor Swift would run the revenue once a month. She'd run it once and then never again. And that's if she's even still touring in 2030 by the time this friggin stadium is built.

Not to mention stadiums cost a SHITLOAD of money to upkeep. The Vikings stadium, which only opened in 2016, already needs $280 million in maintenance over the next decade.

Stadiums *never* make their money back. It's one of the single biggest fallacies out there.
 
Stadiums not making their money back is one thing but people always try to make it a purely financial cost benefit analysis

The sense of community/belonging of many in the city is significantly impacted by having sports teams. Sometimes you spend on things not because you expect to make the money back, but for the well being of your constituents. Not sure how that almost always gets completely ignored in these discussions

And to get ahead of it, I know that not everyone constituent cares about sports or derives a sense of community from it. Just the same as not everyone who pays property taxes has kids that go to public schools. Shockingly, not every tax dollar is 100% serving all constituents greatest needs simultaneously. Again, I know this may be difficult to believe

There is undoubtedly a sense of community that would be lost without the Browns. It’s not all P&L you cyborgs
 
Honestly, I don't care about the costs. My desire for a dome stems from going to different venues and never thinking, "CBS is better than this place." I haven't been to them all, but I think I've been to about half. CBS has to be in the bottom 5 if not the worst stadium in the league.
 
Honestly, I don't care about the costs. My desire for a dome stems from going to different venues and never thinking, "CBS is better than this place." I haven't been to them all, but I think I've been to about half. CBS has to be in the bottom 5 if not the worst stadium in the league.

Easily.
 
Honestly, I don't care about the costs. My desire for a dome stems from going to different venues and never thinking, "CBS is better than this place." I haven't been to them all, but I think I've been to about half. CBS has to be in the bottom 5 if not the worst stadium in the league.
Jacksonville, Carolina, New York and Washington are down there with us for worst stadium in the NFL.

Arizona gets a special shoutout as the "worst new stadium"
 
Honestly, I don't care about the costs. My desire for a dome stems from going to different venues and never thinking, "CBS is better than this place." I haven't been to them all, but I think I've been to about half. CBS has to be in the bottom 5 if not the worst stadium in the league.
Like most everything else attached to the return, the stadium was rushed with no foresight into the future.
 
Jacksonville, Carolina, New York and Washington are down there with us for worst stadium in the NFL.

Arizona gets a special shoutout as the "worst new stadium"

State Farm Stadium is easily the worst stadium in the entire league.

It’s newer. It’s fucking lame. The amenities are terrible. The retractable roof for afternoon east coast games (so 1 our time) soaks half of the entire stadium in direct sunlight for at least a half. And, mind you, when you sit upper deck you… can’t really see the field because of the glare. Love wearing sunglasses inside.

I took my Cardinals family to CBS, we sat lower bowl, and they were amazed on how much better it was.
 
My biggest complaint about CBS is how small the concourses are. One game we made the mistake of entering the southeast entrance, but our tickets were closer to the southwest corner of the stadium. It took us almost 15 minutes of just shuffling our feet in a mob of people to basically get 100 yards. It is so crammed, and like half of the concourse is taken up by people in line for concessions and fourth is taken up by people waiting in line for the team store.

Everything else about it seems fine to me though. Definitely nothing special, but it gets the job done.
 
What’s so bad about CBS?

Haven’t been to many stadiums, and when I was at them didn’t think much about the overall experience.

My season tickets are in the 500 level at about the 30 yard line. Even with the new video boards we have to have to worst stadium in the league when it comes to the data visuals. It's very hard to see the score and down distance. The graphic is smaller than the names of the players in the ring of honor. The concessions are extremely dated. It feels like a stadium on Madden 2000 that was new in Madden 2000. A real Playstation 2 created stadium vibe.

It has the really old standard style seating with one lower bowl, one middle bowl, and an upper level. The sight lines are not great unless you're sitting between the 30 and the 50.

It's one thing to be an outdoor stadium but it's another to be an outdoor stadium up north on the lakefront. The design of the stadium is simply not ideal for inclement weather and no, playing football in shitty weather is not something that fans should brag about.

Now on to the in stadium entertainment. They're trying too hard to be entertaining if that makes sense. Too many games and people shouting at you to get you to participate. They do a terrible job of playing off the dawg pound. You'd have no idea that the dawg pound was even part of our teams history because they don't capitalize on it. They even added "luxury" seats to the dawg pound which probably puts the nail in the coffin there.

I think an easy comp for getting an idea on how shitty CBS is would be going to a Cavs game at RMFH. The experience in RMFH is really fun. The entertainment, atmosphere, audio, and visuals are very well put together. I know it's a basketball game compared to a football game but when you compare some of the same things CBS misses the mark on almost all of them. Parking for a Cavs game is easier and faster. CBS is a decent walk for the majority of fans. You're looking at maybe 2 miles of total walking time easily.

The in game entertainment is much smoother at Cavs games. Ahmad is never trying too hard to get his point across or keep you entertained. Steph Floss is not suited for in game entertainment at a football stadium. He's way too loud and he doesn't have a voice for radio which is much easier to listen to when you're on loud speakers surrounded by 60,000 people in an open air outdoor stadium.

At RMFH no matter where you sit it's very easy to look for a find information about the game. Quarter, fouls, score, timeouts, stats. It's very hard to see the timeouts, score, down and distance, quarter, and even basic stats at CBS. The visual for the timeouts and the score is so small that you have to focus too hard to see it and you'll miss the action on the field.

At RMFH the stats for all 10 players on the court are always in the corners on the boards if not on the main jumbotron. You can easily see how many assist Garland has or points Spida has. If you wanted to see Okoro's shooting percentage it's right there and the graphic is larger than the actual score graphic at CBS.

At CBS it's way too hard to see player stats. You won't know how many rushing yards Nick Chubb has or how many carries he has until after he attempts a rush. Why aren't the offensive stats always on display when the offense is on the field? I can't tell you how many times we'll be at the game and it will be midway through the 3rd quarter before most fans actually see the stats. Now me personally, I'm following the game on Twitter and RCF while I'm at the game so I already know this information but the majority of fans at the game are relying on the in stadium visuals and they are lacking.

*Coupe quick hits

No cheerleaders means they have to find more ways for filler for entertainment. Even if they don't have cheerleaders this team could really use a scream team or dance team.

CBS concession food is the worst in the league and I don't need to go to every stadium to make that declaration.

The design of the concourse makes getting those nasty concession the absolute worst.

They try too hard to play off of the whole rock and roll theme. The truth is if they really want to play off of the home of rock and roll theme then they need an indoor stadium. Nobody is going to a rock concert outside in anything less than 70 degrees. Personally I think the team is having an identity crisis. I think they try to play off the dawg pound theme in a way that almost feels like they are being bullied into doing it by the older traditional fans. I don't think they really like the dawg pound identity and I think they prefer the rock and roll theme. Problem is that the dawg pound theme works really well in an outdoor stadium and the rock and roll theme is tailor made for a dome so here we are.
 

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