The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[CornerThree]

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That was Locke, right?

 

[theSTEREO.]

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That was Locke, right?

Yeah. Roose sent him there two eps ago to dispose of Jon

 

[Rich]

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This episode dropped some knowledge that even us book readers didn't know about. There was obviously a theory that Craster's sons became white walkers but it was never confirmed. The whole story at the wall/above the wall really has me intrigued. It may be just because it is different, but there are several different plot lines all converging and i'm excited to see what will result from it. Plus we are seeing signs of what Jon can become.

Could they have been more obvious when it comes to revealing who was working together to assassinate Joffrey? That's another book theory(albeit a very convincing one) that was just straight up confirmed. Oh, and I'm glad they kept the Margarey-Tommen scene from getting sexual. That would've been just weird. Oh, and we finally got introduced to Azor Ahai: Ser Pounce.


looks like my theory about

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the boy killing Ygritte was nearly confirmed tonight as well. He is the best archer in his hamlet...yeah Ygritte is gonna get killed by a 10 year old.

edit: HOLY SHIT. HBO just confirmed that the Walker at the end is none other than the

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night's king

Follow this url to see the official HBO viewers guide to this episode: http://i.imgur.com/i8fQSMr.png

here it is in the original site: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-4/episode-4/home/34

God Dammit. I was gonna post a whole thing about that last White Walker and the Great Other and my various theories.

What I was going to say was "Now that we've seen a Walker that looks distinct, people are going to scour the books looking for the various tales and recounts of history found throughout, looking for someone who somehow matches that thing's features." I was then going to specifically say to go look for any description given of the Night's King and Joramun.

I'm so up in the air on "The Great Other" and the Walkers. I've got sort of a new theory, but it goes against the story Old Nan told Bran. I'll think on it some more.

Here's what we can gather about that last Walker from just the show. He's either A) A special sorcerer-ish Walker, the only one that can turn people to Walkers, B) Some sort of leader of the Walkers, and therefore has the right to turn people into Walkers or C) Both.

Those are the only reasons that make sense as to why one Walker would take the child that far North. Either that thing is a leader and it's sort of a special ritual or its the only one that has the power to do that.

 

[Chris]

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Just finished it.

Soooo....that's confirmation of Craster's sons becoming WW, I assume?

Not sure what the significance is of that big bad Other at the end being the Night's King, but it's a cool detail.

 

[Rich]

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Also interesting that Jon knows that Bran is alive on the show. I wonder if they'll end up meeting up next week, and if so what will happen with Locke.

No doubt in my mind. All kinds of fan service.

Was watching the preview for next week. Lysa is already spilling the beans about everything she's done for Littlefinger.

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She might be going out the window real damn early.

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Also, notice it wasn't Jorah and Selmy going through the sewers. And it's that whole ordeal that eventually sets up Jorah leaving Dany.

So...that not happening now? Man I'm loving it. I get the feeling we're cutting right to the chase at this point. I'm not sure if it ultiamtley tells a better story, but as someone who just wants to fucking know what happens next in this series, I love the pace at which they're moving.

EDIT: Re-watching that last scene again, so much there. First of all, why keep it intentionally blurry? If the other things there with Long Nails were just white walkers, why blur them out? We've seen them before.

Unless they were also "special" walkers. Hmm. Craster's boys end up looking like your generic walker, maybe? And the blurred out riders are Walkers who are something more. Not just Craster's boys? Oh man that last scene has got my mind spinning.

 

[Jack Brickman]

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No doubt in my mind. All kinds of fan service.

Was watching the preview for next week. Lysa is already spilling the beans about everything she's done for Littlefinger.

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She might be going out the window real damn early.

I really hope they don't move that event up too much. It's such a great season-ender before the epilogue (

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and gives the nice continuity of Littlefinger saying "only Cat" and then transitioning to the reveal that she isn't "dead"

)

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Also, notice it wasn't Jorah and Selmy going through the sewers. And it's that whole ordeal that eventually sets up Jorah leaving Dany.

So...that not happening now? Man I'm loving it. I get the feeling we're cutting right to the chase at this point. I'm not sure if it ultiamtley tells a better story, but as someone who just wants to fucking know what happens next in this series, I love the pace at which they're moving.

That ordeal is the consequence of

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Dany finding out about Jorah's betrayal. She sends both him and Selmy into the sewers as a punishment for lying to her. I think Jorah will still be banished, but that it will be pushed back to near the end of the season so that the actor doesn't just disappear for an entire season.

EDIT: Re-watching that last scene again, so much there. First of all, why keep it intentionally blurry? If the other things there with Long Nails were just white walkers, why blur them out? We've seen them before.

Unless they were also "special" walkers. Hmm. Craster's boys end up looking like your generic walker, maybe? And the blurred out riders are Walkers who are something more. Not just Craster's boys? Oh man that last scene has got my mind spinning.

In the Inside the Episode feature, D&D talked about how they wanted to make the scene from the baby's perspective, so it was intentionally disorienting. I think we can assume the rest of those blurred out Walkers looked much like the rest. It was just shot in that manner to make it look more confusing and interesting.

Just finished it.

Soooo....that's confirmation of Craster's sons becoming WW, I assume?

Not sure what the significance is of that big bad Other at the end being the Night's King, but it's a cool detail.

On the westeros.org forums, the admins (who have connections) said that the HBO site that listed that character as the Night's King shouldn't necessarily be taken at face value. Those episode summaries are not written by the production team, so it is possible that it was just some random HBO person who happened to have read the books and jumped to that conclusion on their own. The admins also said this wouldn't be the first time that happened in an episode summary on HBO's site, although they didn't list any other incidents.

That's not to say it absolutely isn't the Night's King, just that it may just be an error on the site.

Here's what we can gather about that last Walker from just the show. He's either A) A special sorcerer-ish Walker, the only one that can turn people to Walkers, B) Some sort of leader of the Walkers, and therefore has the right to turn people into Walkers or C) Both.

Those are the only reasons that make sense as to why one Walker would take the child that far North. Either that thing is a leader and it's sort of a special ritual or its the only one that has the power to do that.

It could simply just be a religious ritual, like a baptism. Maybe that site is holy, so it's the only place they are permitted to make new Others?

Now that it has been confirmed that the WW can turn humans into other WWs, does this perhaps give us a clue as to Benjen's final fate?

I doubt it myself. Seems they would just outright kill him.

Thus far we have only heard of babies being turned into Walkers. This was hinted at heavily in the books when one of Craster's daughters said that Craster's sons were coming for Gilly's baby boy. I think there may have been a quote as well about the woods being full of Craster's sons.

Regardless, I see no reason at this point to assume that the White Walkers either can or are willing to turn adults into their race. Thus far, we've only ever seen them kill adults.

This episode dropped some knowledge that even us book readers didn't know about. There was obviously a theory that Craster's sons became white walkers but it was never confirmed. The whole story at the wall/above the wall really has me intrigued. It may be just because it is different, but there are several different plot lines all converging and i'm excited to see what will result from it. Plus we are seeing signs of what Jon can become.

Could they have been more obvious when it comes to revealing who was working together to assassinate Joffrey? That's another book theory(albeit a very convincing one) that was just straight up confirmed. Oh, and I'm glad they kept the Margarey-Tommen scene from getting sexual. That would've been just weird. Oh, and we finally got introduced to Azor Ahai: Ser Pounce.

I didn't really have a problem with Olenna revealing it was her. As book readers, we pretty much already knew this, albeit without it being confirmed completely. No doubt the producers didn't want another lingering murder mystery in a show that still hasn't solved the one that started the damn thing to begin with (Jon Arryn, although to be fair that will be revealed this season too).

 

[kosis]

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Yeah. Roose sent him there two eps ago to dispose of Jon

I may have to re-watch but wasn't his purpose to track down Bran & Rickon? I'm pretty sure he overhears that Bran was likely at Craster's from Jon and Sam, which is why he volunteers to join Jon's mission.

EDIT: Crazy episode. Ending was wild. Really curious to see if Jon & Bran meet (seems inevitable) and why Jon would allow Bran to continue north.

 

[theSTEREO.]

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I may have to re-watch but wasn't his purpose to track down Bran & Rickon? I'm pretty sure he overhears that Bran was likely at Craster's from Jon and Sam, which is why he volunteers to join Jon's mission.

EDIT: Crazy episode. Ending was wild. Really curious to see if Jon & Bran meet (seems inevitable) and why Jon would allow Bran to continue north.

It was both. They even played that scene in the "previously on Game of Thrones"

 

[theSTEREO.]

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As for the theory that it's the Night's King, there were 13 of the black robed Others. The Night's King was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and he ruled in the Nightfort for 13 years.

Just sayin'.

And side note, Old Nan said that despite popular stories otherwise, the Night's King was originally a Stark.

 

[CardiacCavs]

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I'm hoping that during Brienne's travels we get to hear whispers of

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Lady Stoneheart leading the brotherhood without banners.

There needs to be some sort of foreshadowing before it is ultimately revealed I think.

 

[Jack Brickman]

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By the way, did anyone notice that Littlefinger said his relationship with his new friends was "growing strong?" I thought that was cute.

Those are the words of House Tyrell, for anyone who has forgotten that season three conversation.

 

[CardiacCavs]

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By the way, did anyone notice that Littlefinger said his relationship with his new friends was "growing strong?" I thought that was cute.

Those are the words of House Tyrell, for anyone who has forgotten that season three conversation.

Yeah it would have been better if they didn't do a cut to the Margaery and Olenna right as he was saying it. Subtlety went out the window.

edit: Also, you were right on the money earlier Jack when you said HBO can mess up those show descriptions. The changed that detail from earlier:

http://imgur.com/2UahBxn

 

[Rich]

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It very well might be a holy place, but then that Walker is something like the high priest. He's either set apart because of his power or set apart because of his position.

 

[Rich]

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I really hope they don't move that event up too much. It's such a great season-ender before the epilogue (

Spoiler

and gives the nice continuity of Littlefinger saying "only Cat" and then transitioning to the reveal that she isn't "dead"

)



That ordeal is the consequence of

Spoiler

Dany finding out about Jorah's betrayal. She sends both him and Selmy into the sewers as a punishment for lying to her. I think Jorah will still be banished, but that it will be pushed back to near the end of the season so that the actor doesn't just disappear for an entire season.

In the Inside the Episode feature, D&D talked about how they wanted to make the scene from the baby's perspective, so it was intentionally disorienting. I think we can assume the rest of those blurred out Walkers looked much like the rest. It was just shot in that manner to make it look more confusing and interesting.



On the westeros.org forums, the admins (who have connections) said that the HBO site that listed that character as the Night's King shouldn't necessarily be taken at face value. Those episode summaries are not written by the production team, so it is possible that it was just some random HBO person who happened to have read the books and jumped to that conclusion on their own. The admins also said this wouldn't be the first time that happened in an episode summary on HBO's site, although they didn't list any other incidents.

That's not to say it absolutely isn't the Night's King, just that it may just be an error on the site.



It could simply just be a religious ritual, like a baptism. Maybe that site is holy, so it's the only place they are permitted to make new Others?



Thus far we have only heard of babies being turned into Walkers. This was hinted at heavily in the books when one of Craster's daughters said that Craster's sons were coming for Gilly's baby boy. I think there may have been a quote as well about the woods being full of Craster's sons.

Regardless, I see no reason at this point to assume that the White Walkers either can or are willing to turn adults into their race. Thus far, we've only ever seen them kill adults.



I didn't really have a problem with Olenna revealing it was her. As book readers, we pretty much already knew this, albeit without it being confirmed completely. No doubt the producers didn't want another lingering murder mystery in a show that still hasn't solved the one that started the damn thing to begin with (Jon Arryn, although to be fair that will be revealed this season too).

Except for the Night's King, right? He supposedly married a White Walker.

Just reading back through some of the stories, I'm starting to doubt the complete accuracy of the tales about the Long Night and the War of Dawn.

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Right now, I'm tossing around the idea that the White Walkers, all of them, are controlled by the Children of the Forest and they are their weapon against men who took their home.

 

[Jack Brickman]

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Except for the Night's King, right? He supposedly married a White Walker.

Did he become one, though? I can't recall.