The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Rich]

Does anyone remember what episode this was from? Is this before he touches Bran in a vision?

 

[Ohio]

Does anyone remember what episode this was from? Is this before he touches Bran in a vision?

Here's what I found in an article:

"Then in season six, episode five, titled 'The Door', when the Three-Eyed Raven explains to Bran how the White Walkers first came into being, we see it once again."

Obviously, that was the episode Bran was touched. Gonna look around a bit more to see if this pic was before or after that scene, but I believed it was before.

 

[Ohio]

Here we go:

"Later in that same episode, Bran touches the roots of the Heart Tree without the aid of the Three-Eyed Raven and travels to a snowy version of this scene, where the Night King has assembled his army. This is the moment that the Night King sees Bran, brands him, and all hell breaks loose."

So, I think...the first thing he saw when he went in alone was this symbol. Then he saw the NK and his army and got touched.

Yep, here it is:

 

[kosis]

My two cents on the Daenerys thing that we debated a couple years back remains the same. I just don't see the Mad Queen that people are trying to build up at all. Sure, she could have beheaded the Tarly's, but she did give them outs. Even after they betrayed the Tyrells and killed Dany's allies, she gave them a chance. The Mad King didn't tell Rickard and Brandon they could go to the wall... he tortured them. The fact that Tyrion and Varys tried to stop her is more the writers wanting us to believe that she may go mad, but the actual actions tell me otherwise. It's not really working. She lets Yara go and run the Iron Islands. Others that want to maintain their respective kingdoms "have the right to ask". Jaime killed her father and was about to put a spear in her face if it wasn't for Drogon, and my money is on her allowing him to live. That's pretty damn generous. I wonder if Randyll Tarly would have done the same? I'm going with a hard "no".

And even when she killed the Tyrells she didn't look happy about it. When she finds out it was Sam's family, she is crushed. There was no maniacal laugh.

I do think there will be conflict in the last 5 eps about the legitimacy of her ruling and she clearly feels it is her birthright at this given moment. Drama will arise. But in no way did she ever give me the vibe that she was in this for the wrong reasons. She's not in the same stratosphere as her father. If her end game is tyrannical rule, the show has done a piss poor job at conveying that, IMO.

 

[godfather]

I really had a problem with the fall of Highgarden. "Wealthiest House + breadbasket of Westeros" can't equate to "armies that don't know how to fight." Because if they didn't know how to fight, they'd never have been able to hold such wealthy lands at all. Completely inconsistent with GRRM's own portrayal of the House as having the largest army in Westeros. It clearly was a liberty taken by the showrunners to wrap up the Tyrell storylines quickly, but I thought it was weak as fuck.

Not even a damn siege -- the castle somehow just fell in a single day.

The entire 7th season felt rushed together in general.

 

[Cavatt]

My two cents on the Daenerys thing that we debated a couple years back remains the same. I just don't see the Mad Queen that people are trying to build up at all. Sure, she could have beheaded the Tarly's, but she did give them outs. Even after they betrayed the Tyrells and killed Dany's allies, she gave them a chance. The Mad King didn't tell Rickard and Brandon they could go to the wall... he tortured them. The fact that Tyrion and Varys tried to stop her is more the writers wanting us to believe that she may go mad, but the actual actions tell me otherwise. It's not really working. She lets Yara go and run the Iron Islands. Others that want to maintain their respective kingdoms "have the right to ask". Jaime killed her father and was about to put a spear in her face if it wasn't for Drogon, and my money is on her allowing him to live. That's pretty damn generous. I wonder if Randyll Tarly would have done the same? I'm going with a hard "no".

And even when she killed the Tyrells she didn't look happy about it. When she finds out it was Sam's family, she is crushed. There was no maniacal laugh.

I do think there will be conflict in the last 5 eps about the legitimacy of her ruling and she clearly feels it is her birthright at this given moment. Drama will arise. But in no way did she ever give me the vibe that she was in this for the wrong reasons. She's not in the same stratosphere as her father. If her end game is tyrannical rule, the show has done a piss poor job at conveying that, IMO.

Yeah I think the Complications will arise if she is pregnant with Jon's baby and she finds out he is her nephew

 

[Chris]

My two cents on the Daenerys thing that we debated a couple years back remains the same. I just don't see the Mad Queen that people are trying to build up at all. Sure, she could have beheaded the Tarly's, but she did give them outs. Even after they betrayed the Tyrells and killed Dany's allies, she gave them a chance. The Mad King didn't tell Rickard and Brandon they could go to the wall... he tortured them. The fact that Tyrion and Varys tried to stop her is more the writers wanting us to believe that she may go mad, but the actual actions tell me otherwise. It's not really working. She lets Yara go and run the Iron Islands. Others that want to maintain their respective kingdoms "have the right to ask". Jaime killed her father and was about to put a spear in her face if it wasn't for Drogon, and my money is on her allowing him to live. That's pretty damn generous. I wonder if Randyll Tarly would have done the same? I'm going with a hard "no".

And even when she killed the Tyrells she didn't look happy about it. When she finds out it was Sam's family, she is crushed. There was no maniacal laugh.

I do think there will be conflict in the last 5 eps about the legitimacy of her ruling and she clearly feels it is her birthright at this given moment. Drama will arise. But in no way did she ever give me the vibe that she was in this for the wrong reasons. She's not in the same stratosphere as her father. If her end game is tyrannical rule, the show has done a piss poor job at conveying that, IMO.

She looked crushed? It didn’t look like she really cared that much, honestly. Sam looked crushed. If anything, Dany looked ashamed. She seems to enjoy burning her enemies or people she deems enemies, honestly. She was ice cold in Season 7 when she actually committed the act. Still, agree she won’t be a mad queen. But there is gonna be something to the hints.

 

[godfather]

She felt awkward. Like Oh fuck, you're that Tarly? I don't think she enjoyed it. But I agree, she didn't really care about killing them.

But she doesn't have any quarrels with Sam though. She felt grateful what he did to Jorah.

She's not a psychopath. But she is power hungry and willing to do anything to claim her throne.

I doubt she has any regret what she did. But felt a little awkward that it was Sam's family. And probably did feel bad for him.

 

[TyGuy]

Lol all executions are done for the spectacle. Jon didn't take Janos Slynt out back and behead him. He did it in front of everyone so they could see what happens to men who disobey orders.

It seems people have a particular bone to pick with dying by dragon fire but man, I bet Lord Karstark wishes he could have died that way instead of a failed beheading. I bet that didn't feel too fucking great.

And even though no one wants to admit this, there's something inherently sexist about following the Ned Stark "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" literally. Like, if it MUST be a literal beheading and it MUST be done be the one who passes the sentence...you get the problem? THat means women can't pass sentences because they can't properly behead someone.

ANd like I said above, she SHOULD have taken King's Landing right away. Would have saved lives and time. Kinda like the A-Bomb. That's what should have happened. Tyrion, the dumbass that he's turned into, advised against the sound, practical decision and what did he get for it? The Unsullied taking a worthless keep, the Iron fleet wiped out, and High garden sacked.

Those three things are a DIRECT result of Tyrion's masterful advice. And this is who the audience is supposed to trust when he starts to get worried about Daenerys?

And btw everyone should prepare their delicate sensibilities now, because when Jaime informs everyone Cersei lied, Daenerys is going to lose her shit with Tyrion. *Gasp* A woman showing anger at an adviser who continuously fails? SHE MUST BE GOING MAD I TELL YOU!!!

Then for good measure Sansa wrecked Tyrion last week telling him "I use to think you were the cleverest man alive" It hasn't been a good run for Tyrion as of late. Get your shit together bro!

 

[Chris]

She felt awkward. Like Oh fuck, you're that Tarly? I don't think she enjoyed it. But I agree, she didn't really care about killing them.

But she doesn't have any quarrels with Sam though. She felt grateful what he did to Jorah.

She's not a psychopath. But she is power hungry and willing to do anything to claim her throne.

I doubt she has any regret what she did. But felt a little awkward that it was Sam's family. And probably did feel bad for him.

Yeah, I’m pretty much in line with this. I’m not sure what emotion Emilia was meant to convey in that scene, but her face looked pretty blank. I just rewatched it. Jorah looks crushed. Sam looks devastated. Dany just looks like she’s telling someone how much their Happy Meal cost.

Perhaps that wasn’t the intent but she doesn’t look broken up over it although as you said I’d think she at least feels bad for Sam. Just going by what we know about her.

I dunno guys. Are we supposed to see Dany as righteous and the ideal outcome as ruler? Because I think we’d all take Jon as the king over Dany any day of the week. But maybe that isn’t the point of the story. Maybe the point is all these monarchs, the idea of an absolute monarch is total ass. Dany wants to ‘break the wheel’ but at the end of the day she may be more benevolent than Cersei or Aerys but ultimately is ‘more of the same,’ as Jon warns her against in Season 7.

 

[Tlyons]

It's a bit hard to tell exactly what emotion Dany was conveying in that scene with Sam. But when she excused him from the room her voice did waver a bit.

She also held back on how she executed them. I think a "Mad Queen" would have been like "Do you like your Tarlys extra crispy"

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

She looked crushed? It didn’t look like she really cared that much, honestly. Sam looked crushed. If anything, Dany looked ashamed. She seems to enjoy burning her enemies or people she deems enemies, honestly. She was ice cold in Season 7 when she actually committed the act. Still, agree she won’t be a mad queen. But there is gonna be something to the hints.

I think there is enough going on with her to make other characters concerned that she will go mad. They don't know everything we know about her background, and the last Targaeryen with which they are familiar was a raging murderer. The similarity between the Tarly and Stark burnings is likely to be commented upon, and it is going to affect her ability to unify people. Sam may be just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's a bit hard to tell exactly what emotion Dany was conveying in that scene with Sam. But when she excused him from the room her voice did waver a bit.

Maybe she is starting to realize that the reactions of other people in Westeros to what she did may not be what she expected.

 

[godfather]

Then for good measure Sansa wrecked Tyrion last week telling him "I use to think you were the cleverest man alive" It hasn't been a good run for Tyrion as of late. Get your shit together bro!

It's the most out of character moment. No one knows how treasurous Cersei is better than Tyrion. Then it doesn't even dawn on him she could be lying. The same woman that plotted to have him killed twice.

The same woman that always schemes behind everyone's back, and then the enemy ends up dead!

He'd trust her word?

Does Tyrion have amnesia or does he need a Westeros intervention.

 

[Tlyons]

It's the most out of character moment. No one knows how treasurous Cersei is better than Tyrion. Then it doesn't even dawn on him she could be lying. The same woman that plotted to have him killed twice.

The same woman that always schemes behind everyone's back, and then the enemy ends up dead!

He'd trust her word?

Does Tyrion have amnesia or does he need a Westeros intervention.

He may be soft on the fam. Yep, even Cersei...somehow. Jamie should be able to squash all that now that he is there. "Oh yea, Cersei said fuck yall"