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I searched the forums thoroughly and could'nt find any threads whatsoever on anything related to Mixed Martial Arts. I figured that this could serve as the place to discuss the sport. If there is already a thread like this or no interest, Please feel free to close.

Although I am not a die-hard fan of the sport, I do take an interest in it and can relate with a lot of the athletes involved. The sport has evolved dramatically over the past 10-15 years and seems to be finally getting it's collective props.

I'm more than a little disappointed at the fight card for the first ever network television broadcast of MMA this weekend. This article pretty much sums up my feelings on it perfectly.

Kimbo not the face of MMA
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
13 hours, 49 minutes ago

Kimbo Slice, a one-time homeless man, one-time strip club bouncer, one-time backyard, back-alley brawler turned Internet sensation/big money mixed martial artist isn’t a problem. Only in America, right?

He’s said to be a great guy, a boot-strap success story who deserves everything coming to him. I’ve watched him maul “Adryan” a half dozen times alone. You have, or will, too.

Kimbo Slice being a street fighter, rather than a Brazilian jiu-jitsu or Muay Thai master, isn’t a problem either.

No, he isn’t the best and brightest in MMA. He’d probably get whipped in a second by the sport’s elite, as Tito Ortiz predicted. The beauty of the MMA, though, is you bring what you’ve got to the cage. Kimbo has those iron fists. Maybe it’s enough. Maybe it isn’t. We’d all like to find out. The day an old-school scrapper doesn’t have a place here will be a sad one.

And CBS choosing to broadcast an MMA card in prime time Saturday, a historic moment for this once fledgling sport, isn’t a problem.

The sport has taken off in a way few others have – fueled purely by fan interest. It stands in stark contrast to all the network airtime spent on sports propped up on political correctness or obligation. MMA long ago deserved network attention.

Individually, nothing is wrong with a shooting star such as Kimbo Slice fighting on Saturday’s EliteXC card on CBS.

Together, plenty is. In fact, practically everything is.

EliteXC is a desperate promotion that’s hemorrhaging money. It’s willing to sell anything, even a false portrait of its sport, to succeed.

Kimbo is a guy with unexpected and most likely fleeting earning potential; understandably he’s willing to cash in even if it means tomato-can opponents and an image so unfortunately stereotypical.

CBS is so focused on quick television ratings, it will present a cheap trick, lowest common denominator show. This, rather than an introduction to a sport that if treated with respect and patience could grow into a powerful property.

Everyone is using. Everyone is getting used. In the end, what will be left from this experiment?

Will MMA on CBS just be a short-run, freak show discarded by all, left to return to its true roots and better promotions after the circus has left town?


If this is, indeed, the most important card in the history of the sport, wouldn’t it be nice if it actually had some of the best fighters and best representatives of mixed martial arts?

Anderson Silva, B.J. Penn and Georges St. Pierre display what MMA is all about. Not menacing scowls and WWE-like personas, but unreal athletic ability, disciplined training and tremendous intelligence from fighters as multi-skilled as they are fearless.

If one of them were on CBS, it would force America to realize what MMA really is. Kimbo, who taps into our primal instincts, plays to what many think the sport is. Let Kimbo cash every check he can – good for him – but he plays to MMA’s difficult-to-shake reputation as “human cockfighting,” as Sen. John McCain once branded it.

Those days are, or should be, done, of course. Even McCain gives MMA his approval now. That’s mostly because of the work of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), far and away the major league of the sport.

CBS is about to show a minor league event with fancy production values. On the day the sport supposedly goes mainstream, it’s the big network – not the smaller committed outlets – that are playing to the sport’s worst instincts.

The fact the lowly Versus cable network will broadcast a far superior, double main event World Extreme Cagefighting card on Sunday, tells you what CBS thinks of the sport. Quality doesn’t matter. It doesn’t even have the best event of the weekend.


Here’s the troubling difference between rival organizations UFC and EliteXC.

UFC has run the sport understanding that its popularity could be greater than the sum of its parts. EliteXC, especially with its biggest star, appears to be eschewing investment in the long term.

Earlier this year the UFC welcomed former WWE and amateur wrestling star Brock Lesnar, who, in some ways, could be called its Kimbo. Lesnar, a former NCAA wrestling champ, is far more skilled, that isn’t the comparison here. The similarity is that Lesnar arrived with great fanfare and curiosity. Everyone wanted to see what he could really do.

The old way of thinking, the boxing way, would be to match him up against an overwhelmed opponent and cash in on some easy victories as he was brought along slowly.

UFC president Dana White, however, stuck to his league’s core belief that you either prove yourself or you go home. There are no padded records or kid glove scheduling in the UFC. If Lesnar was for real, he would have to prove it. If not, see ya. It’s what fight fans covet. It’s why the UFC has thrived.

In February, White matched Lesnar up against the kind of fighter that could beat him, Frank Mir, an experienced former heavy weight champion and submission expert. The fight was thrilling, Lesnar almost knocked out Mir until Mir’s superior skill earned him a submission.

Lesnar lost. His second fight, against dangerous Heath Herring in August, could leave him 0-2 in the UFC and facing an unsure future. That’s the deal with the UFC. It’s real. So real, White is willing to run one of his biggest stars right out of the game.

Kimbo hasn’t fought anyone nearly as good as Mir or Herring. Who knows if he ever will? EliteXC and CBS are running his career like a boxer, even if trumped up records and mismatch fights have severely damaged that sports’ popularity.

Based on that mentality, you can understand why White was willing to walk away from the CBS exposure that, done properly, would have shot his league into the stratosphere. Obviously, he didn’t feel it was going to be done properly.

Saturday’s card is not set up to show the best of mixed martial arts and introduce America to a sport it would likely embrace.

If CBS was trying to build serious interest in football, it wouldn’t trot out an unproven pro team against a doomed high school squad and call the ensuing blowout the best the game offers.

It’d get the New England Patriots and the New York Giants and let people see the real deal.

But neither the network nor EliteXC are treating the sport or Kimbo Slice as anything but disposable programming. And that’s the problem here.

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Here is a list of some of the more important upcoming MMA events:


May 31 - EliteXC on CBS I (CBS)

June 1 - WEC 34: Faber vs. Pulver (Versus)

June 7 - UFC 85 (PPV)

June 14 - EliteXC: Hawaii 2 (Showtime)

June 21 - "TUF 7" Live Finale (Spike TV)

June 27 - Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Thomson

June 27 - ShoXC: San Diego (Showtime)

July 5 - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin (PPV)

July 19 - Affliction: Banned (PPV)



One fight that I am looking forward to in particular is slated for September at UFC 87. George St.Pierre Vs. Jon Fitch. Both guys are extremely hard hitting, have great chins are as technical as they come.
 
KIMBO looks tough.

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Kimbo is a monster, No doubt about it. He just is not a good representative or face for the sport (To say the least) and I personally don't think that he would last one minute with some of the more notable heavyweights in MMA such as Fedor Emelianenko, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, etc. I don't even think he could stand with some of the more notable Light Heavyweights such as Quinton Jackson, Forrest Griffin, Thiago Silva, Wanderlei Silva, Stephan Bonnar, etc.

Anytime you have knockout power like Kimbo does, You have a "Fighters chance" so it would be interesting but he lacks smarts and they are matching him up with creampuffs so far in his professional career. That all being said, It would take a hell of a lot more than what these fools are getting paid to get me in the ring with that beast.
 
I respectfully disagree Matty.

I think it's a great card. Not necessarily from a top 10 fighters standpoint but for the first ever card on network TV.

Kimbo Slice v. James Thompson has a great look and appeal. It'll give the result they want as well (Kimbo knockout win). Robbie Lawler v. Scott Smith are both marketable, attractive young guys (no homo). Gina Carano.... don't need to say more. Phil Baroni, Murilo Ninja, a good prospect in Brett Rogers. Well done all things considered.

The thing is, Kimbo vs Thompson gets immediate ratings. That's what they need. A 0.8 rating cancels the show and it's not on network TV again. They need RATINGS. Not fans.

That's like a hardcore basketball fan bitching about a Nuggets/Warriors first NBA game on broadcast TV because it might be a fun 153-149 game but they won't be playing defense and the people won't be hardcore NBA fans. Who gives a shit? People will either get into the sport or not, it's no way to determine how successful it is.

They need people to watch. End of story. Kimbo/Thompson is a great visual matchup and will result in the correct way of victory for them.
 
He wouldn't last a minute with the Iceman Chuck Lidell
 
He wouldn't last a minute with the Iceman Chuck Lidell

You are missing the point. It doesn't matter where Kimbo stacks up against the world's best. Elite XC needs to pop a big rating for this first show on broadcast TV to be a success. Kimbo is one of the most well-known and marketable fighters in the entire world based on his internet videos. How good he is or isn't ultimately doesn't matter at all. Casual fans (the people who make up the majority of the audience) don't care that Kimbo can't beat anyone good, they want to see a brutal vicious knockout from the same guy they saw knocking dudes out in the backyards of Miami.

As far as free TV main events go, this is one of the best choices that could have been made. A knockout (one way or the other) is almost guaranteed.
 
So this fight is on CBS this Saturday night? What time does this start?
 
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter where Kimbo stacks up against the world's best. Elite XC needs to pop a big rating for this first show on broadcast TV to be a success. Kimbo is one of the most well-known and marketable fighters in the entire world based on his internet videos. How good he is or isn't ultimately doesn't matter at all. Casual fans (the people who make up the majority of the audience) don't care that Kimbo can't beat anyone good, they want to see a brutal vicious knockout from the same guy they saw knocking dudes out in the backyards of Miami.

As far as free TV main events go, this is one of the best choices that could have been made. A knockout (one way or the other) is almost guaranteed.

Exactly. UFC is boring. It's two grown man holding each other on the mat for 15 minutes unless somebody gets a submission.

Where the hell are the knockouts? UFC is a non-scripted WWE to me. I want to see some ****ing knockouts. That's what the appeal of UFC was back in it's heyday. It gets more and more boring every year.
 
I respectfully disagree Matty.

I think it's a great card. Not necessarily from a top 10 fighters standpoint but for the first ever card on network TV.

Kimbo Slice v. James Thompson has a great look and appeal. It'll give the result they want as well (Kimbo knockout win). Robbie Lawler v. Scott Smith are both marketable, attractive young guys (no homo). Gina Carano.... don't need to say more. Phil Baroni, Murilo Ninja, a good prospect in Brett Rogers. Well done all things considered.

The thing is, Kimbo vs Thompson gets immediate ratings. That's what they need. A 0.8 rating cancels the show and it's not on network TV again. They need RATINGS. Not fans.

That's like a hardcore basketball fan bitching about a Nuggets/Warriors first NBA game on broadcast TV because it might be a fun 153-149 game but they won't be playing defense and the people won't be hardcore NBA fans. Who gives a shit? People will either get into the sport or not, it's no way to determine how successful it is.

They need people to watch. End of story. Kimbo/Thompson is a great visual matchup and will result in the correct way of victory for them.

I completely understand what you are saying and somewhat agree. They DO need to attract a large viewing audience and it is indeed TRUE that Kimbo would(and will) draw a larger audience then 95% of the other MMA fighters out there. However, This strategy seems very desperate and risky to me. How will the general audience and first time watchers of this sport respond to seeing these brutes with virtually zero grappling capabilities standing over one another trying to knock one another out? The Lawler/Smith fight will better represent the sport than Kimbo...Sure, He may tune people in.... He also may turn a lot of people off. Adding Carano to the card was also a good idea because she will draw an audience and she CAN actually fight but my same thinking applys. It makes it more of a side show then actual MMA in a pure form. I also have reservations about the commentating of the event. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I'm not a UFC fanboy or anything, I just want to see a good, professional show so the general audience does not get the wrong impression of the sport.

I'm actually more excited for the Faber vs. Pulver fight on Sunday evening.;)



The EliteXC broadcast on CBS will air Saturday night at 9:00pm

http://www.elitexc.com/
 
Kimbo the next Tyson? Yeah, that's the idea

By Mark Kriegel

Mark Kriegel is the national columnist for FOXSports.com. He is the author of two New York Times best sellers, Namath: A Biography and Pistol: The Life of Pete Maravich, which Sports Illustrated called "the best sports biography of the year."

Updated: May 29, 2008, 2:30 PM EST

For those of a certain age, those who can still recall the ancient analogue ways, the image seems incongruent: Kimbo Slice, a gold-toothed former bodyguard for street pornographers, appearing at an interview podium with Bill Paley's seal of approval.

That CBS eye remains the Tiffany network's imprimatur, still regarded in many quarters as the gold standard in network programming. But the world has changed. Unique users have replaced Nielsen points as a barometer of relevance. And you can only give people — particularly males between the ages of 18 and 34 — so many repeats of "CSI" and "NCIS" and "Criminal Minds" on Saturday nights. Enter Kimbo Slice, who will appear this weekend as the featured fighter in mixed martial arts' debut on network prime time, "EliteXC Saturday Night Fights."

His given name is Kevin Ferguson, once a football player of modest renown at Miami-Palmetto High School. In the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew, Ferguson entered the ranks of the homeless. Down to little more than his natural skill set — "been fighting since I was 13," he says — he found a way to make ends meets as a bouncer and a bodyguard. With the requisite aura of menace, he served as an escort for the aforementioned producers whose videos sought to bring an illusion of prurient realism (ie. desperately hot mommies) to the masses. But his big break came as a street fighter, having administered spectacularly brutal beatings in backyards, alleys and garages.

"On private property," Mr. Slice hastens to add.

Actually, it was his great good fortune that these unsanctioned bouts turned out to be anything but private. Filmed on hand-held cameras — a video porn man's weapon of choice — his beatdowns became YouTube sensations. "I had no idea it would take off like this," said Kimbo, 34, a father of five who reportedly does not own a computer.

"Ten million unique hits," shouts EliteXC president Gary Shaw, who made his bones as a New Jersey boxing promoter.

In fact, 10 million seems like an understatement in assessing this bloody body of work. More certain is this: CBS has never had a leading man like Kimbo Slice.

"I don't like it," said Sumner Redstone, when asked of his network's foray into mixed martial arts.

But Redstone is a businessman. His objection to mixed martial arts — once famously disparaged by Sen. John McCain as "human cockfighting" — is conditional. He'll like it just fine if hits translate into ratings. Saturday night's card includes some good fighters, like Robbie Lawler, and some interesting ones. There's Gina Carano, cast as the hottie with vicious skills, and Phil Baroni, who acts like Andrew Dice Clay on steroids (in fact, Baroni was suspended for six months by the California State Athletic Commission for using Boldenone and Stanozolol). But the real attraction here, the main event, is Kimbo Slice.

"He might be the perfect confluence," said David Dinkins of Showtime (owned by CBS), a veteran producer of televised boxing. "He has a compelling back story. He comes from the Internet. He's in a sport, mixed martial arts, that's ready to explode."

It is commonly supposed that boxing's severely atrophied state is a result of corruption. That's nonsense. Boxing was always corrupt. What decimated boxing was falling from network favor. The media calculus may have changed, but there's still no substitute for network TV.


What Shaw envisions for Kimbo and Co. is a new kind of fame. The biggest pay-per-view audience represents a tiny fraction by the standards of prime time. "This is probably the biggest thing ever to happen to MMA," Shaw says. "These fighters will be like the people on 'Survivor' and 'American Idol.' They'll be recognized at airports and Burger Kings."

If nothing else, Shaw understands that reality TV has nothing to do with reality. The challenge will be for the broadcasters. Can they teach the masses to appreciate a ground game that too often looks like dry-humping? "America has to understand the jiu-jitsu," says Gus Johnson, a very capable basketball announcer who will serve as the lead play-by-play guy for EliteXC on CBS. "The beauty and the brutality of the sport is on the ground. If boxing is the sweet science, then this is physics."

How much of this science street fighter Kimbo has mastered is still anyone's guess. He has been working with Bas Rutten, a former MMA champion, and trainer Randy Khatami for the past year and a half. "We had to clean up his punches," Khatami says. "And his ground game has come along tremendously. Bas works with him for two hours every morning. If you're a striker like Kimbo, you don't want to go to the ground. But we're very confident in his ground game."

Nevertheless, Khatami adds, "He's not in a position to fight a top-10 fighter right now."

It's not like he'll be matched with one Saturday night. His opponent is James "The Colossus" Thompson. "I don't know anything about my opponent," says Kimbo.

What's to know?

"The guy's a white debt collector from England," Shaw says.

Besides, the crucial part of this equation isn't a fighter's merit. It's show business.

"Tyson," says Gus Johnson. "You know what I mean?"

Of course. People forget that Mike Tyson was conceived by network programmers as an attraction for Saturday afternoons. Tyson had a palpably ferocious aura. He also had a look.

Kimbo Slice has at least that much. He's big (250 pounds), bald, and bushy (his beard would be the envy of most Hasidim in Borough Park). His teeth are gold, his toenails painted black. More than that, though, is his video archive, spectacularly theatrical evidence of his capacity for violence.

Bill Paley would bet on it, just as Sumner Redstone's minions have. They're businessmen. They're banking on Kimbo Slice finally claiming that long-vacant title, Baddest Man on the Planet.


Read this article at:
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8187922/Kimbo-the-next-Tyson?-Yeah,-that's-the-idea

Lets hope he doesn't end up like Tyson
 
Tyson had the wrong people around him, that's what happened to the best boxer ever.

WHo knows who Kimbo has around him, his buddy is the owner of realitykings.com I think, so having a porn guy as one of your main guys does not bode well.
 
Kimbo is a freaking beast..the huge Rick Ross beard serves as padding to an iron jaw. He's like the black Ivan Drago..except he's not fighting for his country he's fighting to eat.
 
Tyson had the wrong people around him, that's what happened to the best boxer ever.

WHo knows who Kimbo has around him, his buddy is the owner of realitykings.com I think, so having a porn guy as one of your main guys does not bode well.

Yea, I agree Tyson was pretty much used until he was dry.

There was a big article on Kimbo in ESPN The Magazine and he seems like a pretty well grounded guy for someone who beats the shit out of people for a living.
 
Man, Kimbo got exposed tonight. This was exactly what UFC wanted, Elite XC put on a great show but they killed the best match with that BS end.

But Kimbo...man...that dude is going to get wasted if he ever fights a top fighter. Any of the top heavyweights gets a hold of him and it's a wrap for Kimbo.
 

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