The Official True Detective Scene

[Damage]

When I compared it to AHS I was talking about bringing back actors to play different characters, not the different story aspect. I already knew next season would almost definitely be a totally different story. This is an anthology series, after all.

Cool.

Just read the interview Sepinwall did with Pizzolatto - said the next series is about "Hard women, bad men, and the secret occult history of the United States Transportation System"

 

[DawgOnKing]

To me, reading Pizzolatto's thought process is justification for what I thought was a very good finale to a great season.

Nic Pizzolatto: This is a story that began with its ending in mind, that Cohle would be articulating, without sentimentality or illusion, an actual kind of optimism. That line, you ask me, the light's winning, that was one of the key pieces of dialogue that existed at the very beginning of the series' conception. For me as a storyteller, I want to follow the characters and the story through what they organically demand. And it would have been the easiest thing in the world to kill one or both of these guys. I even had an idea where something more mysterious happened to them, where they vanished into the unknown and Gilbough and Papania had to clean up the mess and nobody knows what happens to them. Or it could have gone full blown supernatural. But I think both of those things would have been easy, and they would have denied the sort of realist questions the show had been asking all along. To retreat to the supernatural, or to take the easy dramatic route of killing a character in order to achieve an emotional response from the audience, I thought would have been a disservice to the story. What was more interesting to me is that both these men are left in a place of deliverance, a place where even Cohle might be able to acknowledge the possibility of grace in the world. Because one way both men were alike in their failures was that neither man could admit the possibility of grace. I don't mean that in a religious sense. Where we leave Cohle, this man hasn't made a 180 change or anything like that. He's moved maybe 5 degrees on the meter, but the optimistic metaphor he makes at the end, it's not sentimental; it's purely based on physics. Considering what these characters had been through, it seemed hard to me to work out a way where they both live and they both exit the show to live better lives beyond the boundaries of these eight episodes. Now they are going to go on and live forever beyond the margins of the show, and our sense, at least, is they haven't changed in any black to white way, but there is a sense that they have been delivered from the heart of darkness. They did not avert their eyes, whatever their failings as men. And that when they exit, they are in a different place.

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[theSTEREO.]

Through a macro lens, yea, I was disappointed. I wish they would have delved into the cult more. And I thought the timing of Rust's visions coming when the did seemed a bit hokey.

Through a micro lens, it was really, really good. The entire show was about 2 men and their place in a static state, not accepting change. In the end, while things around their world remained the same (Tuttle family covering up the connection & getting away w the crimes, the world being a scary place, etc) Rust & Marty - 2 guys who were the pure definition of static - changed completely.

I think Sepinwall's review and early interview with Pizzolatto really showed the reason why we didn't get detailed, ribbon-tied answers to all the questions. Even Marty said it, you don't always get everyone, but they got their guy, and the way the case changed those two men are what mattered most.

Also, I thought the timing of Rust's hallucination was perfect, because the hint at something supernatural was always there, but always able to be explained away by real world circumstances. The series reminds me of Game of Thrones pre-dragons. You knew there was a hit of something otherworldly, and some people clearly believed in it, but it was never outright and might have just been in some characters' heads. I love that it was left open for you to wonder. Rust's vision reminded me a lot of the last scene of Inception. Did Cobb ever wake up? Did Rust have a vision, or was Carcosa real and actually revealed to him? It's never answered, and you have to decide yourself.

 

[Soda]

I watched last night and pretty much left the couch with a big meh...

So much left untended to.. I want answers and although Carcosa seemed to be a real place that was very spooky, I expected more. The bad guy being some abnormally wise and diabolical hick? To me, this show just told me that there are a lot of uncharted properties out there where comprehensive crimes can thrive...

Nothing substantiating Rust's conversation with Tuttle either way
Nothing regarding Marty's family being the least bit connected
Monster was a disheveled part-time maintenance man
Nothing about the phone call to the prisoner who killed himself (obviously Errol didn't know the two detectives by their faces)
No media mention about the Tuttles from any of the outlets that were sent the story

I know a lot of this stuff was intentionally either taken out or brushed over, but these were the reasons I watched and paid such close attention.

 

[theSTEREO.]

I watched last night and pretty much left the couch with a big meh...

So much left untended to.. I want answers and although Carcosa seemed to be a real place that was very spooky, I expected more. The bad guy being some abnormally wise and diabolical hick? To me, this show just told me that there are a lot of uncharted properties out there where comprehensive crimes can thrive...

Nothing substantiating Rust's conversation with Tuttle either way

He found the evidence tape in Tuttle's house. Tuttle didn't report the break-in. Tuttle died shortly after. The pieces are pretty easy to put together.

Nothing regarding Marty's family being the least bit connected

This is true. Not sure what that connection was about. This is unanswered.

Monster was a disheveled part-time maintenance man

Well, as a front sure. I'd say the reality of what he really was was pretty freaking scary considering what he did to his father, half sister, and the dozens and dozens of creepy bodies found in the pathway to Carcosa. Did he need to be some super powerful figure in society?

Nothing about the phone call to the prisoner who killed himself (obviously Errol didn't know the two detectives by their faces)

I thought it was pretty clear. The Tuttles were involved, and had their fingers throughout law enforcement. Once someone in the know heard he was about to leak it, they knocked him off.

No media mention about the Tuttles from any of the outlets that were sent the story

They definitely did. It was directly stated on that news channel. There were "rumors" that the ring went as high as the Tuttles, but the implication seemed to be that they had already worked their connection to quash it and avoid detection.

I know a lot of this stuff was intentionally either taken out or brushed over, but these were the reasons I watched and paid such close attention.

See above.

 

[kosis]

I watched last night and pretty much left the couch with a big meh...

So much left untended to.. I want answers and although Carcosa seemed to be a real place that was very spooky, I expected more. The bad guy being some abnormally wise and diabolical hick? To me, this show just told me that there are a lot of uncharted properties out there where comprehensive crimes can thrive...

Nothing substantiating Rust's conversation with Tuttle either way
Nothing regarding Marty's family being the least bit connected
Monster was a disheveled part-time maintenance man
Nothing about the phone call to the prisoner who killed himself (obviously Errol didn't know the two detectives by their faces)
No media mention about the Tuttles from any of the outlets that were sent the story

I know a lot of this stuff was intentionally either taken out or brushed over, but these were the reasons I watched and paid such close attention.

This is pretty close to where I am regarding the ending. I'm absolutely OK with an open-ended conclusion that doesn't close every loop. I absolutely get that part of that is the point. I do however feel like a lot of the clues and crumb trails should have been addressed at one point or another. Seems a bit lazy to have set up for so many plot points and just not go back to it under the guise of unknown.

Again, Audrey recreates the 5 men around the victim, draws the sexual drawings and has her moment on lover's lane... and then nothing. Why spend so much time on it then? Are we supposed to assume that it's a random coincidence or that she was affected without Marty ever knowing? Seems a bit cheap to not at least acknowledge it one way or another.

I would have also liked to understand what some of the motivations were of this cult. I feel like even 30 minutes spent on this would have sufficed... even something along the lines of why they chose certain children, and why the prostitutes were killed.

That being said, I didn't have a problem with Errol being the mastermind like some others did. I can totally buy into him being a cunning psychopath. He didn't have to code documents or trace DNA... he just had to methodically torture children and hide evidence. Plus, the fact that he had a whole stable of other voices/accents showed that he was relatively intelligent and adaptable.

Overall, the show was excellent and one of my all time favorites. Great performances, and the writing/directing was superb. The last two episodes didn't live up to the previous six but I'll definitely miss Marty and Rust taking over my Sunday nights. Bring on Thrones.

 

[Soda]

See above.

While I completely brain-farted the tape in Tuttle's house, I still wanted to see the connection between the Tuttles, Errol and his motivation... I'm just not into the explanation that Errol was once involved with the Tuttle family and now that's over.. What happened? Why is this guy doing this? Was he crazy? If he was just a nut, I think that the story was weak.

There was so much that the Director/Producer wanted the viewer to see, presumably because he wants to prove how smart he is..? Then at the end where there was an opportunity to blow the whole thing wide open, we get random hick guy with no real motive outside voodoo.. That stunk to me and I've loved this show...

 

[MD13]

Sure I would have liked to see more of the loose ends (Audrey, the Tuttles, etc) tied up, but I'm perfectly fine with the open ending because any bit of closure would have taken away what has clearly been one of the most incredible redemption stories ever portrayed on TV. Pizzolatto mentioned that the story mirrored the Bible, and the downward spiral from the death of his daughter, to his time spent undercover, to his time following the case was his 40 days in the desert. I for one was completely surprised that Cohle could survive the ordeal with a newfound sense of optimism, something I never expected from his character.

And as to the cult... as the show kept saying, time is a flat circle. Marty and Rust have killed a low level employee of the cult and are treated like heroes, while the powerful men stay in power. Difference is, they're satisfied with the good they've done and that seems to me like the perfect kind of ending to a show/season like this one.

So... dream casting for the 2 women leads?

 

[DawgOnKing]

Again, Audrey recreates the 5 men around the victim, draws the sexual drawings and has her moment on lover's lane... and then nothing. Why spend so much time on it then? Are we supposed to assume that it's a random coincidence or that she was affected without Marty ever knowing? Seems a bit cheap to not at least acknowledge it one way or another.

Marty lost his family because he was having sex with girls who were at one time, a young Audrey. Time is a flat circle.

 

[kosis]

Sure I would have liked to see more of the loose ends (Audrey, the Tuttles, etc) tied up, but I'm perfectly fine with the open ending because any bit of closure would have taken away what has clearly been one of the most incredible redemption stories ever portrayed on TV. Pizzolatto mentioned that the story mirrored the Bible, and the downward spiral from the death of his daughter, to his time spent undercover, to his time following the case was his 40 days in the desert. I for one was completely surprised that Cohle could survive the ordeal with a newfound sense of optimism, something I never expected from his character.

And as to the cult... as the show kept saying, time is a flat circle. Marty and Rust have killed a low level employee of the cult and are treated like heroes, while the powerful men stay in power. Difference is, they're satisfied with the good they've done and that seems to me like the perfect kind of ending to a show/season like this one.

So... dream casting for the 2 women leads?

 

[kosis]

Marty lost his family because he was having sex with girls who were at one time, a young Audrey. Time is a flat circle.

Just read an interesting theory that the stuff with Audrey didn't really happen, and that Marty's memories kept mixing up work and family. Not convinced it went that route, but could have been interesting.

 

[Rich]

My biggests questions focus around the cult. Was Scars the only member actually killing people? How did he decide? The cross-dressing man from last episode was sexually abused by Scars and the cult, but he wasn't killed. Why only some of the people who are abused? Did it even start out as a cult, or was grandfather Tuttle just into little kids and having sex with virgins, and the off-spring formed the cult on their own?

And ultimately, what was the purpose? Did Scars think that by doing these things he was going to acheive something, and if so, what? Was it just him who believed this or the entire family/cult?

I dunno, I loved this series, but I'd really liked to have known more about the cult beliefs.

 

[Soda]

Marty lost his family because he was having sex with girls who were at one time, a young Audrey. Time is a flat circle.

I'll skip the next season if they're going to broad stroke all of the inadequacies with pie in the sky catch phrases... Weak.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

1) How and when did Marty make a call for backup?

2) Anyone else thinking "grass clippings" when Marty was putting the green ears thing together? Kind of a stretch to link the painting of the house with the killer, IMO.

 

[DawgOnKing]

I'll skip the next season if they're going to broad stroke all of the inadequacies with pie in the sky catch phrases... Weak.

No you won't.