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The Ongoing Attendance Problem

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What Is the Biggest Reason for Attendance Being So Poor?

  • Larry Dolan Doesn't Spend Enough Money

    Votes: 32 27.4%
  • Lack of On-Field Success

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Lack of a Marketable Superstar

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • Cleveland Cannot Support Three Professional Sports Teams

    Votes: 9 7.7%
  • The Economy

    Votes: 8 6.8%

  • Total voters
    117
And for the people who want a personality to go along with their star player, he has it too. The guy is pretty funny if you follow him on Twitter. His personality shows during the broadcasts too actually. He's my favorite player currently, and I need to get a Kipnis shirt now.
 
Was just doing some research and didn't know where else to put it, but in regards to that Forbes article about the Indians being the most profitable team last year:

The YES Network generates approximately $450 million in revenue each year. The Yankees' payroll this year is around $197 million.

That means the difference in JUST the TV revenue and payroll is a positive $253 million.

The Indians' TV contract is worth $30 million and their payroll is around $62 million. Meaning they are negative $32 million.

Meaning, somehow, revenue sharing makes up for a difference of $285 million to suddenly make the Indians more profitable than the Yankees.

That doesn't even account for the fact that the Yankees average 41k at games and the Indians average 18k.

*Edited to correct my numbers
 
Was just doing some research and didn't know where else to put it, but in regards to that Forbes article about the Indians being the most profitable team last year:

The YES Network generates approximately $450 million in revenue each year. The Yankees' payroll this year is around $197 million.

That means the difference in JUST the TV revenue and payroll is a positive $285 million.

The Indians' TV contract is worth $30 million and their payroll is around $62 million. Meaning they are negative $32 million.

Meaning, somehow, revenue sharing makes up for a difference of $317 million to suddenly make the Indians more profitable than the Yankees.

That doesn't even account for the fact that the Yankees average 41k at games and the Indians average 18k.

Sooo this is good... or bad?
 
Sooo this is good... or bad?

Not really good or bad - just shows some of the major flaws in the Forbes reporting.

Also, the article mentions that the YES Network pays between $80-90 million for the rights to air Yankee games, but since the station is team-owned, the full $450 profits still go back to ownership. The $80-90 million is the only portion they pay luxury tax on.

Meaning they are kind of screwing the system to pay LESS in luxury tax even though they are making way more.

But the Dolans do this as well - the main difference being the revenues generated by STO are minimal and shared with Time Warner.

I am making an assumption here, but I'd guess the Forbes numbers only reflect the amount the Yankees make for the rights to their games ($80-90 million) rather than the amount the team actually made because they own the YES Network (the $450 million number).
 
Once again, Chris Perez goes off on the fans of Cleveland. Seriously, fuck this guy. I supported him the first time, but you're continually coming at the fans at this point.

Often Outscored and Unsupported, but Over .500

The Cleveland Indians have lost their last three games by a collective score of 22-3. The most recent, a 7-1 defeat on Monday at Yankee Stadium, was over early. The Yankees scored two runs in each of the first three innings, and the Indians do not win slugfests.

But they do win games. Somehow, the Indians remain two games over .500, at 37-35, in second place in the American League Central. A formula based on run differential, devised by Bill James, says the Indians should be at least nine games below .500. And yet, here they are.

“Over all, we’re pleased that we’re still in the race despite clearly not playing our best baseball,” General Manager Chris Antonetti said outside the visiting clubhouse after the game.“We still feel like the roster we have has a lot of upside to it and hasn’t played to our potential.”

The Indians are not imposing. Their best-known players, Grady Sizemore and Travis Hafner, are on the disabled list. Right fielder Shin-Soo Choo and catcher Carlos Santana have not become consistent stars. They are futile against left-handers.

Coming into Monday’s game, the Indians ranked 10th in the league in runs scored and 13th in earned run average. Their hitters were 12th in home runs, their pitchers 12th in strikeouts. They have now allowed 48 more runs than they have scored.

“It’s been kind of weird, honestly,” closer Chris Perez said. “If we’re ahead after five, we win. And even if we’re down by one or two, it seems big. It’s just one of those anomalies.

“When we get beat, we get beat. It’s usually big runs. And when we win, it’s close. The run differential is not going to be there.”

Perez and his setup men, Vinnie Pestano and Joe Smith, are the team’s greatest strength. The rest of the bullpen has been shaky, but the three late-inning relievers have helped the Indians go 11-2 in one-run games. Cleveland has lost only twice when leading after six innings; the Yankees have three such losses.

“The main thing has been our bullpen, the back end of our bullpen,” Manager Manny Acta said. “Close ballgames we feel we have a very good chance of winning, because those guys at the end are lights-out.”

Starters Ubaldo Jimenez and Justin Masterson have pitched well lately. The Indians are strong up the middle, with second baseman Jason Kipnis and shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera, and their batters walk a lot. They missed a chance to trade for third baseman Kevin Youkilis, who was sent from Boston to the Central-leading Chicago White Sox on Sunday, but Antonetti said improvement would have to come from within.

“No one guy externally, no matter who we bring in, will solve our issues,” he said. “The guys that are here need to play to their potential.”

The Indians should learn a lot about their true selves in the coming weeks. They play series against the Yankees, the Baltimore Orioles, the Los Angeles Angels and the Tampa Bay Rays before the All-Star break. Losing two of three in Houston last weekend was not an encouraging send-off.

Back home, the fans seem skeptical. The Indians have turned over nearly their entire roster since 2007, when they beat the Yankees in the division series. The progress they seemed to show last season, when they started 30-15, was overshadowed by finishing 15 games behind the division-winning Detroit Tigers. Now Cleveland ranks last in the league in attendance, averaging only 18,408 fans a game.

Perez has expressed frustration with that, and did so again Monday. He said fans seemed to care more about rooting against LeBron James and the Miami Heat than they do about rooting for the Indians.

“I don’t get the psyche,” said Perez, who grew up in Florida. “Why cheer against a guy that’s not even in your city anymore? Just to see him fail? Does that make you feel good? I could see if the Cavs were in the championship, but that’s their mentality.

“They’ve had a lot of years of misery. They say, ‘You just don’t understand because you don’t live here.’ O.K., maybe I don’t. But that doesn’t mean it has to keep going.”

The Indians drew more than 3 million fans for six seasons in a row starting in 1996, the year the N.F.L. Browns moved to Baltimore. The new version of the Browns has not won a playoff game in its 13 seasons.

“That’s what I don’t understand,” Perez said. “Their whole thing is, ‘We want a winner.’ Well, why do you support the Browns? They don’t win. They’ve never won. They left. You guys blindly support them. I don’t understand it. It’s a double standard, and I don’t know why.

“It’s head-scratching. It’s just — they don’t come out. But around the city, there’s great support. They watch it in the bars. They watch it at home. They just don’t come.”


Maybe the schedule will doom the Indians by the middle of July. Maybe the run differential will widen so much that it swallows the team. Maybe the Tigers will come alive and sprint to the playoffs again. There is a chance all of that will happen.

But summer is here and the Indians are contenders, without even playing very well. Their statistics might improve, but who wants to believe so rigidly in numbers, anyway? So far, they have lied about the Indians.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/s...-explain-how-indians-win.html?_r=3&ref=sports
 
Its hard to be upset with Perez because he's the closest thing to perfection, not just on the Indians, but maybe in the league. At the same time, this probably isn't the best time to call out the fans. They've lost 3 straight and have scored a combined 3 runs in that span. They've scored 5 in the past 4. Every team goes through one of these swoons at some point, but in terms of the offense, it appears to be a regression to the mean. I don't think it was necessary to discuss Lebron though or to call out the Browns, considering guys like Haden and Weeden are trying to support the Indians.
 
Perez isn't wrong - but that doesn't mean he needs to go out and say it every week.

Though, to my point last time he did this - what is the worst thing that is going to happen? Fans won't show up because he said that? They're already doing that.
 
Perez isn't wrong - but that doesn't mean he needs to go out and say it every week.

Though, to my point last time he did this - what is the worst thing that is going to happen? Fans won't show up because he said that? They're already doing that.

You're completely ignoring the fact that fans, such as myself, are going to the games. He is throwing ME under the bus. For that, his frumpy ass can shut up.
 
Jabbing at the Browns? He opened a new can of worms.
 
Perez isn't wrong - but that doesn't mean he needs to go out and say it every week.

Though, to my point last time he did this - what is the worst thing that is going to happen? Fans won't show up because he said that? They're already doing that.

I think he's bordering on disenfranchising a lot of people. I'm a big CP fan. But his point has been made. And was made two weeks ago. The continual mouth diarrhea he apparently has is going to start pissing off people like me. I'm not a Browns honk. I've been up to quite a few Tribe games this year. I don't need some mouthy asshole lumping me in with everyone else.
 
You're completely ignoring the fact that fans, such as myself, are going to the games. He is throwing ME under the bus. For that, his frumpy ass can shut up.

How are you offended? He is very obviously only talking about people not going to the game.

I complain that no one watched Arrested Development - that doesn't mean I was throwing the people that DID watch it under the bus.
 
How are you offended? He is very obviously only talking about people not going to the game.

I complain that no one watched Arrested Development - that doesn't mean I was throwing the people that DID watch it under the bus.

Because he's acting as if the people that are there aren't good enough. He hasn't acknowledged the people that show up to see the games like some of us do. He's acting like all the fans suck, when quite of few of us are supporting the team.

"They don't come out." Well I do.
 

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