With Jones and Snow signed for a few years, I think we're working with those two for a while. I don't see the Cavs trading Snow, you can tell the organization loves the guy. I think our next PG is one we draft. It'll give him time to learn behind some good players, we'll see whats our there when the time comes.
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in his first three seasons, dee brown averaged almost 5 assists per game while deron williams was the point guard. now that williams and head are gone from illinois, brown is the point guard and is averaging 3.8 assists per game in this young season.
why would we think that a player averaging 3.8 assists in his only season of point guard as a collegian would be the long term answer for our team? that makes no sense to me. maybe brown will develop his point guard skills this season, but at the moment he is a 6'0" shooting guard trying to learn the point guard position. the list of 6'0" shooting guards that have succeeded in the nba is very short.
why would we think that a player averaging 3.8 assists in his only season of point guard as a collegian would be the long term answer for our team? that makes no sense to me. maybe brown will develop his point guard skills this season, but at the moment he is a 6'0" shooting guard trying to learn the point guard position. the list of 6'0" shooting guards that have succeeded in the nba is very short.
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I think Snow and Jones are fine for this year and even next year, but both of them are clearly not the answer long term.
Cavs are going to have to either trade for a young point gaurd, or get a good draft pick and acquire a solid pg.
One player that I think is just going to be great eventually is Devin Harris. He is just so quick and intense that he is able to D up and penetrate against any other pg. He has passing skills, he just doesn't use them. Thing is, I am sure Dallas will work hard to keep him.
With that said, drafting is probably the way to go. We have a first round pick this year. If we could trade up and get Rajon Rondo, that would be awesome. He is top defender on the collegiate level and he is lighting fast. He can also distribute the ball extremely well. Dee Brown is an interesting prospect. I don't think we need a great passer on this team at the point personally. Lebron, Larry and suprising Luke are all very fine passers. What I would rather have is a pg that can both defend the quick gaurds and also break down defense with speed and penetration.
Cavs are going to have to either trade for a young point gaurd, or get a good draft pick and acquire a solid pg.
One player that I think is just going to be great eventually is Devin Harris. He is just so quick and intense that he is able to D up and penetrate against any other pg. He has passing skills, he just doesn't use them. Thing is, I am sure Dallas will work hard to keep him.
With that said, drafting is probably the way to go. We have a first round pick this year. If we could trade up and get Rajon Rondo, that would be awesome. He is top defender on the collegiate level and he is lighting fast. He can also distribute the ball extremely well. Dee Brown is an interesting prospect. I don't think we need a great passer on this team at the point personally. Lebron, Larry and suprising Luke are all very fine passers. What I would rather have is a pg that can both defend the quick gaurds and also break down defense with speed and penetration.
If the Cavs season continues to be a success than they should be drafting fairly low, most likely in the 20's. This probably won't be a deep draft since it's the 1st one with the new age limit.
As of now Dee Brown is a solid prospect and should be considered if he's still around when the Cavs pick. I think he does possess PG skills although he still needs to refine them. He also possesses good quickness and is a good defender which is what the Cavs need in a point. Snow and Jones are slow and the Cavs have trouble with quicker PG's. Dee Brown also has decent scoring and shooting ability. It's very early in the college season and Illinois is adjusting after losing Williams and Head.
Another college PG name to consider is Mardy Collins of Temple. He's 6-5 or 6-6 and is a good defensive player who can also score. He's another player who might be available in the 20's in next year's draft.
As of now Dee Brown is a solid prospect and should be considered if he's still around when the Cavs pick. I think he does possess PG skills although he still needs to refine them. He also possesses good quickness and is a good defender which is what the Cavs need in a point. Snow and Jones are slow and the Cavs have trouble with quicker PG's. Dee Brown also has decent scoring and shooting ability. It's very early in the college season and Illinois is adjusting after losing Williams and Head.
Another college PG name to consider is Mardy Collins of Temple. He's 6-5 or 6-6 and is a good defensive player who can also score. He's another player who might be available in the 20's in next year's draft.
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While I like Harris, he really doesn't play that well on defense from just watching the Spurs v Dallas game, Parker exploited him for what 30 pts and Harris let him drive right by him for the winning layup. With all that said he is not an option, dallas doesnt let him go.
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I think judging any players defense on how well they play one of the quickest is slightly unfair. No one can stop him and he his having one of his best seasons. Name me a point gaurd Tony Parker hasn't lit up.
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Not all future point guards will be found in this country. In fact if there is a position most likely to make a transition from Euro Ball to the NBA it is guards.
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Sarunas sure has made the transition from Euroball to the NBA nicely. He got off to a slow start but has realy been pciking it up of late. On the season he is averaging 9.6 points, 2.4 rebs, 2.5 assists. He is shooting 52% from the field, 51% from 3 pt range, and 95% from the line in 19 minutes a game.
He started the last 2 games since Tinsley got injured. As a starter he is shooting 71% from the field, 83% from 3 pt range, 100% FT, while averaging 15 pts, 5 rebs, 5.5 assists in 29 minutes a game.
In the games I've watched his defense has been fine.....not great....but not a problem like DJ's. And it's been getting better with experience. Sarunas is 13th in the league in steals per 48 min.
It sickens me to think how close he came to signing here....what an upgrade he'd be over DJ. Not to mention what he would have brought to the locker room.....his passion and competitive spirit are unrivaled. Then again DJ does bring us the high leg kick and sweet 3 sign.(((Sigh)))
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Max,
Sarunas made that call. He thought the Pacers were closer to a championship than we are. I don't think he is right about that, but that probably depends on our ability to learn to win on the road.
But there are others. Consider realtively unknown Jose Calderon who is playing for a crappy team, but is doing at least as well as Rafer Alston. I think we looked at a couple this offseason that did not come for whatever reason. (Alex Scales was one I think)
Sarunas made that call. He thought the Pacers were closer to a championship than we are. I don't think he is right about that, but that probably depends on our ability to learn to win on the road.
But there are others. Consider realtively unknown Jose Calderon who is playing for a crappy team, but is doing at least as well as Rafer Alston. I think we looked at a couple this offseason that did not come for whatever reason. (Alex Scales was one I think)
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Why can't we simply get a player who can put up 12 points, 6-7 assists, and plays decent defense. Is finding a PG who can do this in the NBA that hard to get?
So much money tied up in two useless players. Uggh. Damn you Sarunas you should have chosen the Cavs.
On other notes: Dallas is not going to give up Harris. Terry is a FA and no way Dallas will pay him huge bucks with Danials and Harris in the wings. Terry would actually be a very good option for us but I don't if the full veteran exemption would be enough to convince him to come over and play with us
Hate to lose Gooden but if AV returns back healthyn I would look into whether Phoenix would be interested in a Gooden for Barbaso swap.
So much money tied up in two useless players. Uggh. Damn you Sarunas you should have chosen the Cavs.
On other notes: Dallas is not going to give up Harris. Terry is a FA and no way Dallas will pay him huge bucks with Danials and Harris in the wings. Terry would actually be a very good option for us but I don't if the full veteran exemption would be enough to convince him to come over and play with us
Hate to lose Gooden but if AV returns back healthyn I would look into whether Phoenix would be interested in a Gooden for Barbaso swap.
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Yes, poop on a stick to him. I still get sick thinking about losing Sarunas to Indiana. It was a tough call though and I understand why he went to Indiana. He is about winning, period. He would be going to a winning team either way, but Indiana was much less risky.Pioneer10 said:
I still want nothing to do with Jason Terry. He's a shoot-first tweener, only averaging 3.8 assists this year on an offensive-laden team. He is just not good for team chemistry, never has been, from his days in Atlanta. It's not that he's bad or anything, but he would take too much away from Larry Hughes.
Would Jameer Nelson be a possibility?
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terry is a shooting guard. even when he played point for the hawks he was reallly a shooting guard, which messed up the hawks big time because they didn't have anyone to distribute the ball.
jameer nelson could do the job, but there are a lot of point guards on other teams that can do the job. what would we have to give up for orlando to give us their second string point guard? losing nelson would leave the magic in a tough spot. he and howard are their future at this point and nelson is almosy as effective as stevie franchise. if it gets down to steveie franchise and his ego and large veteran salary versus fair market for nelson, i expect the magic to move frachise and keep nelson.
what about stephon marbury? adding marbury would show Lebron that we are committed to winning. marbury might thrive if he was out of new york and their goofy fan expections. isiah thomas might give him up for hughes. they have nate robinson to run the point. marbury and Lebron would give us two great shooters who can both handle the ball and run the offense.
jameer nelson could do the job, but there are a lot of point guards on other teams that can do the job. what would we have to give up for orlando to give us their second string point guard? losing nelson would leave the magic in a tough spot. he and howard are their future at this point and nelson is almosy as effective as stevie franchise. if it gets down to steveie franchise and his ego and large veteran salary versus fair market for nelson, i expect the magic to move frachise and keep nelson.
what about stephon marbury? adding marbury would show Lebron that we are committed to winning. marbury might thrive if he was out of new york and their goofy fan expections. isiah thomas might give him up for hughes. they have nate robinson to run the point. marbury and Lebron would give us two great shooters who can both handle the ball and run the offense.
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Marbury makes 16.5M a year, think what we would have to give up to make the money match, it wouldn't be worth it. I don't think he'd solve any problems either or be a very good fit. We have chemistry issues now...they'd only get worse with Starbury.
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i realize that i did not address salary issues, which are a big part of any nba trade.
but with marbury at $16,500,000 and hughes at $10,800,000 and damon jones at $3,500,00 you are within the 25% match required by the current players association agreement. but there are dozens of other alternatives that could be considered.
yes, chemistry isssues are also important. but think how bad our chemistry will be if Lebron leaves for another team because we have never been able to provide him with a solid point guard.
we have hughes and marshall and jones and snow signed for the next few years. in 2008-09 those four will make over $30,000,000 in salary. if it is not working with them and Lebron and ilguaskas as our main core, then we will have to make some changes and thos changes will involve some of those players. moving them now when they have some value makes more sense than waiting for a couple of years and moving them when they are older and have demonstrated to the league that they are over the hill and not worth those four year deals.
marbury would be a load for any team to deal with. he could not make it in minneapolis with garnett, so maybe he would not make it with Lebron. but he has more basketball talent than a hughes/jones combination. he could be coached.
but with marbury at $16,500,000 and hughes at $10,800,000 and damon jones at $3,500,00 you are within the 25% match required by the current players association agreement. but there are dozens of other alternatives that could be considered.
yes, chemistry isssues are also important. but think how bad our chemistry will be if Lebron leaves for another team because we have never been able to provide him with a solid point guard.
we have hughes and marshall and jones and snow signed for the next few years. in 2008-09 those four will make over $30,000,000 in salary. if it is not working with them and Lebron and ilguaskas as our main core, then we will have to make some changes and thos changes will involve some of those players. moving them now when they have some value makes more sense than waiting for a couple of years and moving them when they are older and have demonstrated to the league that they are over the hill and not worth those four year deals.
marbury would be a load for any team to deal with. he could not make it in minneapolis with garnett, so maybe he would not make it with Lebron. but he has more basketball talent than a hughes/jones combination. he could be coached.
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No to Marbury and No way to Gooden to Phoenix for Barbosa.
If we give up Gooden we need a meaty PF back. We can trade swingmen for PG's if needed.
If we give up Gooden we need a meaty PF back. We can trade swingmen for PG's if needed.