The Quarterback prospect thread

[jlegg21]

Still Bortles/Bridgewater or bust for me. Teddy will be solid in the NFL, just not sure he'll ever be more than solid. Bortles seems like he's boom or bust. He's the one who has the talent to be a franchise Super Bowl caliber QB. I don't see that in anyone else in this draft. If you're going to go QB high, you're looking for that franchise guy.

I'd hate to be in the situation Minnesota and Jacksonville were in with high drafted QBs who just sucked. Yet you feel like you have to give them the chance because of where you picked them.

To be totally honest, I wouldn't be shocked if we somehow landed Clowney.

Safest player in this draft, premium position, otherworldly talented, and I think we have a real shot to go up and get him. I dont know why some are so bent on forcing it with this QB or bust narrative. I wouldnt be surprised if ALL THREE of these guys fell out of the top 5. It could just be one of those years where the position is weak.

I know this is a tired argument, but teams do find QBs in all kinds of strange ways. Romo went undrafted, Kurt Warner was bagging groceries, Brady lasted til the 6th round, and on and on...

It's the most difficult position to project and draft in the NFL, and in a year where no one seems like a sure thing, the Browns are gonna nail this? After they just gutted the two guys running personnel? Forgive me if I'm pessimistic.

This feels like the type of draft where it would be smart to make sure we get a sure thing in the 1st round, and roll the dice in rds 2-3 if a QB is on their radar. There are worse things than giving Hoyer a chance to prove himself with a rook learning on the job.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I am surprised with all the years of mediocrity and just down right shitty QB that people dont see this as a high priority. Let me clarify my stance on the top prospects. I am not under the impression Bortles or Bridgewater will immediately right the ship or change our awful history at QB. I do believe they are high quality prospects at that their respective positions. We are in a position to grab one of the two and i am of the feeling it has to be done if possible. I am nowhere near ready to just hand over the crown to Hoyer to "see of he pans out". We have done this way too many times with previous mediocre QBs, with absolutely zero to show for it. New regime needs a new rookie top QB prospect to groom for the now/future.

 

[Phills14]

Bridgewater I think brings stability and competent QB play day 1. The question is what is his ceiling. Frankly, I think it's pretty high and he's the best player for the Browns IMO. Bortles I think takes more time to develop but by the end of the year could look pretty darn good and is certainly worth the #4 pick IMO. If those 2 guys are gone, I like Carr @ 26 as long as we add Watkins at 4. Outside of those 3 I think the rest of the QB crop is a bunch of backups and flame outs.

 

[Phills14]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Parcells met w Teddy Bridgewater for 4.5 hours in Fla. Very impressed w QB's humility, ftball knowledge, how well-spoken + secure he was</p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/statuses/441634864769409024">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Parcells has a solid track record with QBs. His formula is pick a QB that
1. Is a senior (Teddy B is a Redshirt Jr)
2. He must graduate (Teddy graduated in Dec)
3. 3 year starter (Looks like he started 3 years less 2 games at the start of his career)
4. Must have 23 wins (29 wins for Teddy)

So no surprised Parcells likes him.

Listening to the RBS today with Goldhammer, Rizzo and Grossi they all agree Bridgewater would be a bad pick. Grossi seems stuck on the hand size. 9 is the minimum and I think Teddy is 9.125 which is passable. He's knocking him for not having a great arm but just a good arm. He's knocking him for not having great size when his height is fine and his weight is a little light. What they aren't praising him for is his intelligence. The guy makes the right decision with the football almost all the time. He's a fricking machine. That is so valuable and it gets swept under the rug and dismissed by some of these guys. There really isn't a doubt in my mind, Bridgewater is by far the best QB in this draft.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Carr has adequate height, above average arm, strong leadership skills, has played well in 2 different offensive systems under 2 different head coaches, has grown up around high level football since he was 10, mature on and off the field. There is a lot to like from Carr.

I am not a Manziel guy at all. He's too small, not a big enough arm to compensate, plays best outside of the system which I feel is a recipe for disaster in the NFL, has the off the field stuff which would be fine if he could produce pro bowl level stuff on the field but I feel that's unlikely and his act will run extremely thin.

I like Carr but not at the top of the draft. 26 or 35 I'd be ok with him. I have no need for Manziel.

I mean I get knocking Johnny's system, but Carr didn't play out of some pro-style offense. I get he adapted. But he had a lot of screens, short stuff and fades. Plus he played dog shit competition, and when he did play a good team he was pretty damn mediocre to poor.

I don't like the idea of spending the 26th on a QB, unless for some reason one of those top guys were to fall that far. Carr 2nd or later wouldn't kill me. I just think if you're too a point where you don't trust one of the early guys (assuming they pass on Bortles and Bridgewater), there are a few nice potential 2nd day finds. No need to jump on someone with that second pick, like they did with Weeden.

Meh, why not look at the highlight film? It's not like anything we do or say has anything to do with what happens. Plus, that is pretty much all the genpop has for film on these guys. As long as we understand what highlights are meant to do, no harm done.

Film on NFL Draft prospects is pretty simple to find. I'm just saying, a highlight tape is useless in my eyes. I wanna see the good, obviously, but the mediocre and bad as well. A highlight tape can make Boyd or Logan Thomas look like winners.

Here are some useful Carr videos... Mediocre game and a good game.

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[Frank Stallone]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Parcells met w Teddy Bridgewater for 4.5 hours in Fla. Very impressed w QB's humility, ftball knowledge, how well-spoken + secure he was</p>— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/statuses/441634864769409024">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Parcells has a solid track record with QBs. His formula is pick a QB that
1. Is a senior (Teddy B is a Redshirt Jr)
2. He must graduate (Teddy graduated in Dec)
3. 3 year starter (Looks like he started 3 years less 2 games at the start of his career)
4. Must have 23 wins (29 wins for Teddy)

So no surprised Parcells likes him.

Listening to the RBS today with Goldhammer, Rizzo and Grossi they all agree Bridgewater would be a bad pick. Grossi seems stuck on the hand size. 9 is the minimum and I think Teddy is 9.125 which is passable. He's knocking him for not having a great arm but just a good arm. He's knocking him for not having great size when his height is fine and his weight is a little light. What they aren't praising him for is his intelligence. The guy makes the right decision with the football almost all the time. He's a fricking machine. That is so valuable and it gets swept under the rug and dismissed by some of these guys. There really isn't a doubt in my mind, Bridgewater is by far the best QB in this draft.

Perfect. Sounds like he is going to be the man. More on Parcells...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bill Parcells operating as 'courtesy consultant' with Browns <a href="http://t.co/9Obm0CqpMx">http://t.co/9Obm0CqpMx</a></p>&mdash; NFL: AroundTheLeague (@NFL_ATL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_ATL/statuses/441646440188608512">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[getBUCKED]

Bridgewater would be a dream in Cleveland. Still think he goes #1 overall though unless the Texans sign Matt Cassel or whoever.

 

[Phills14]

Bridgewater would be a dream in Cleveland. Still think he goes #1 overall though unless the Texans sign Matt Cassel or whoever.

Bortles I think is the odds on favorite at this point to go #1 even if they sign Cassel. Teddy wouldn't surprise me but from what I've heard about O'Brien and how he likes his QBs, I think they will sign Cassel and draft Bortles. Cassel will be able to start from week 1 but know that he's not the long term guy and one of his jobs is to groom Bortles to eventually take over.

Grossi was saying that he thinks Manziel doesn't get past Jacksonville. That would make me happy as it will leave Teddy, the best QB in the draft, right there for the taking.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Bortles I think is the odds on favorite at this point to go #1 even if they sign Cassel. Teddy wouldn't surprise me but from what I've heard about O'Brien and how he likes his QBs, I think they will sign Cassel and draft Bortles. Cassel will be able to start from week 1 but know that he's not the long term guy and one of his jobs is to groom Bortles to eventually take over.

Grossi was saying that he thinks Manziel doesn't get past Jacksonville. That would make me happy as it will leave Teddy, the best QB in the draft, right there for the taking.

I'm still not entirely convinced Bortles is necessarily O'Brien's guy. I also think, separate from what you're saying, that the O'Leary connection is a load of crap.

 

[Spectre]

I am surprised with all the years of mediocrity and just down right shitty QB that people dont see this as a high priority. Let me clarify my stance on the top prospects. I am not under the impression Bortles or Bridgewater will immediately right the ship or change our awful history at QB. I do believe they are high quality prospects at that their respective positions.

People do see it as a high priority... the highest priority. The difference is that not everyone views them as high quality prospects, apparently Ray Farmer among them. For whatever reason, if one of the prospects separates himself (and it looks like it might be Bortles), he won't be there when we pick because he'll probably be a Texan. Should Farmer then reach down his board just to get a QB? If he sees very similar value in a QB he can get at #26 vs. a guy who would require #4, by all means I want him to pass at #4. I'd rather get someone Farmer views as elite at #4 and take my chances on QB later.

 

[AZ_]

Bortles is absolutely underrated, he'd be wise to come back though.

My quote just before Halloween.

He's lucky I'm not his agent.

 

[NtG]

I don't understand how anyone could want to go in to the season with Hoyer as the starter. The guy played 1 decent game. 1. Ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Orange]

New Owner + needs to remake franchise + SEC fan + Southerner + irrational + traded last year for ammo = We are trading up for Johnny Football.

Get the Ron Paul gif ready, it's happening.

 

[SixPACK]

I don't understand how anyone could want to go in to the season with Hoyer as the starter. The guy played 1 decent game. 1. Ridiculous.

25/38 - 269yds - 2 TD-0 INT --> That is a good game to me. Yes, he didn't blow out with yards but still made it happen & was smart
30/54 - 321yds - 3 TD-3 INT --> Good game to me. 3 INT sucks and threw a ton for 321yds, but once again, a 300yd game for a CLE QB and 3TDs? I will take it.

Plus his middle name is Axel. I mean, come on.

No, but I do want Bwater or Bortles.

 

[Lee]

I don't understand how anyone could want to go in to the season with Hoyer as the starter. The guy played 1 decent game. 1. Ridiculous.

Because normally rookies shouldn't start from game one and no one wants to go into the season as Weeden as the starter.