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whaddya say we just drop the 'no arm strength' garb, eh?
 
polska2211 said:
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whaddya say we just drop the 'no arm strength' garb, eh?
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"Arm strength" really means little. Derek Anderson had plenty of it, for example.

But yes, he sure can make a 45 yard throw in an open field with nobody coming at him & nobody covering the WR....
 
MoFlo said:
"Arm strength" really means little. Derek Anderson had plenty of it, for example.

But yes, he sure can make a 45 yard throw in an open field with nobody coming at him & nobody covering the WR....
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Meh.

Some were arguing about Manziel having a "weak arm", that's where that post was directed. Manziel has the best arm strength of all 3 of the top prospects (even Bortles b00bie) which came as a surprise to most of us. Don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
 
In a game he will revert to the same old piss poor mechanics and tendencies. Like bailing on a clean pocket, making idiotic throws off his back foot, etc.
 
Alright, so i have narrowed down my final 3 QB prospects. After laboring through hours and hours of game film, attending various pro days and conversing with my main guys - Mayock, Gruden and Kiper, i can confidently make my choices.

Here they are (you're welcome):

1. Blake Bortles UCF (1st rounder/if available)
2. Tom Savage PITT (mid/late rounds)
3. Jeff Matthews Cornell (UDFA)
 
Triplethreat said:
Meh.

Some were arguing about Manziel having a "weak arm", that's where that post was directed. Manziel has the best arm strength of all 3 of the top prospects (even Bortles b00bie) which came as a surprise to most of us. Don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
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:chuckles::chuckles::chuckles:
 
Dinner Bell Mel said:
As someone who mostly reads, and rarely comments, let me just say that you're insufferable. Maybe you should sit back and watch for awhile. We all have a handle on what you want the Browns to do, and not do. So really, there's no reason for you to comment until after the draft.
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The manner in which Boobie speaks can be annoying. His posting style has pissed me off more times than not. However, if you look at the track record of his analysis ... he is pretty accurate more times than not.

A forum is a place where people share information. If you are going to dismiss information based on the manner it is presented in and not based on it's merit... well then forums aren't for you I guess.

I agree with Boobie. Bortles is the best QB in this draft. Hands down. Looking at his measurable, agility, size, etc... Bortles compares as a raw Andrew Luck. I don't see how you pass on that type of talent because he will take a year or two to develop. If you think a player can play at that level... why wouldn't you grab him and develop him?

His rawness is why people dislike him. But his ceiling is much higher than any other quarterback in this draft. There's a reason he climbed up draft boards... its because mock drafts are complete bullshit. The only reason they become somewhat accurate is because mock draft experts get their information from scouts. They themselves are not good at scouting for the most part. Bortles moves up the boards the closer we get to the draft because he is a supreme talent and NFL scouts recognize that and it trickles down to the incompetent mock draft experts who can't tell their head from their ass.

Johnny's position in the draft boards, in my opinion, is due to the money his agent probably pays mock draft analysts to rate him higher than he should be attempting to get a dumb organization to bite on him higher than they should due to the hype. I call this The Brady Quinn Effect.
 
Triplethreat said:
Meh.

Some were arguing about Manziel having a "weak arm", that's where that post was directed. Manziel has the best arm strength of all 3 of the top prospects (even Bortles b00bie) which came as a surprise to most of us. Don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
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No, arm strength isn't about who can lob the ball down the field the farthest. It's about being able to drive the ball down the field crisply on intermediate and deep routes. Show me who can throw the best 15-20 yard out route on a frozen rope, not who can toss the prettiest rainbow bloopers into zero coverage.

Carr wins the arm strength category, but Bortles wins it after all things are considered (aka he's not Derek fucking Carr).
 
Johnny Manziel has been described by "some" as having one of the best arms they've ever seen.
 
chrisrich91 said:
No, arm strength isn't about who can lob the ball down the field the farthest. It's about being able to drive the ball down the field crisply on intermediate and deep routes. Show me who can throw the best 15-20 yard out route on a frozen rope, not who can toss the prettiest rainbow bloopers into zero coverage.

Carr wins the arm strength category, but Bortles wins it after all things are considered (aka he's not Derek fucking Carr).
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I agree with you. However Brandon Weeden can throw that 15-20 yard route on a frozen rope like no other. Unfortunately that was all he could throw.

You also need to be able to throw that 15-20 yard (across the field, not down it) lob to the back corner of the endzone.

More importantly, you need to know which situation requires which throw and make that decision in a split second.

There are plenty of quarterbacks that excel at one phase of the quarterback game. Most of the time though they fail because they are a one trick pony. Some quarterbacks can succeed as a one trick pony, but it is much harder to do so.
 
This is strangely familiar to people posting videos of Colt McCoy bombs to Jordan Shipley as a means for showing McCoy having enough arm to make it.

Quite frankly I think I agreed with them at the time, but obviously learned from my mistakes. Throwing a lob to an uncovered receiver is nice, but consistently driving the ball on intermediate routes or through traffic is what arm strength is really all about.
 
AZ_ said:
This is strangely familiar to people posting videos of Colt McCoy bombs to Jordan Shipley as a means for showing McCoy having enough arm to make it.

Quite frankly I think I agreed with them at the time, but obviously learned from my mistakes. Throwing a lob to an uncovered receiver is nice, but consistently driving the ball on intermediate routes or through traffic is what arm strength is really all about.
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Hater. :chuckles:
 
Triplethreat said:
Meh.

Some were arguing about Manziel having a "weak arm", that's where that post was directed. Manziel has the best arm strength of all 3 of the top prospects (even Bortles b00bie) which came as a surprise to most of us. Don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
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This sums my point up perfectly:

chrisrich91 said:
No, arm strength isn't about who can lob the ball down the field the farthest. It's about being able to drive the ball down the field crisply on intermediate and deep routes. Show me who can throw the best 15-20 yard out route on a frozen rope, not who can toss the prettiest rainbow bloopers into zero coverage.

Carr wins the arm strength category, but Bortles wins it after all things are considered (aka he's not Derek fucking Carr).
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Out of all the worries people have about Manziel, arm strength is the least important, especially when the point backing up his arm strength is that he can make a 45 yard throw in open space with nobody around him or his WR.

Didn't Jamarcus Russell show off his amazing arm strength in a similar way & people gushed over it?
 
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