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^ I suspect some have, and others likely have subscribed directly with the insurance companies. I haven't gotten to the point where I can see the price quotes yet, though. And I've been trying since day 1. I've waited over a week for identity verification.

The site itself is far more responsive now, you can log in immediately instead of waiting a half an hour.
 
11,588,500 Words: Obamacare Regs 30x as Long as Law

October 14, 2013 - 4:02 PM By Penny Starr

Bureaucracies in the Obama Administration have thus far published approximately 11,588,500 words of final Obamacare regulations, while there are only 381,517 words in the Obamacare law itself.

That means unelected federal officials have now written 30 words of regulations for each word in the law.

What is commonly known as the Obamacare law includes both the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (HCERA). Since these bills were signed into law by President Barack Obama in March 2010, various agencies in the administration have published 109 final regulations spelling out how they are to be implemented.

These 109 final regulations account for a combined 10,535 pages in the Federal Register, where the government officially published them.

The Federal Register presents the regulations in relatively small type with three columns of text on each page. CNSNews.com calculated that there is an average of 1,100 words on each of these pages by counting the actual words in one 78-page Obamacare regulation and then dividing by 78.

At an average of 1,100 words per page, the 10,535 pages of Obamacare regulations consist of approximately 11,588,500 words.

By contrast, as officially published by the Government Printing Office, PPACA is 906 pages long and HCERA is 55 pages long. These pages include an average of only 397 words. That means PPACA and HCERA's combined 961 pages consist of approximately 381,517 words.

For each word actually in the Obamacare law that Congress enacted, the Obama administration has written 30 more words in regulations indicating how it will be enforced.
 
I'm watching the discussion about the senate deal to possibly reopen the government. The one obamacare issue that appears to be a part of it is income verification for healthcare subsidies. Why is this even an issue? People act like people could lie and get extra money. The subsidies are simply a prepaid tax credit. The estimates are going to be wrong no matter how they are done because people are being asked to estimate their income for next year. Any mistakes get reconciled when tax returns are filed. intentionally underpay your taxes and you may have to pay a penalty.
 
This thread has come to a complete stop. Guess there is no sense in talking about something that doesn't work. :chuckles:
 
The government screws up everything it touches. This thing is an utter catastrophe. They need 7 million people to sign up for it to be viable. How the hell are they going to accomplish that anytime soon?

The GOP was right, at the least, this thing should've been postponed a year.


Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data

By Christopher Weaver and Louise Radnofsky

Insurers say the federal health-care marketplace is generating flawed data that is straining their ability to handle even the trickle of enrollees who have gotten through so far, in a sign that technological problems extend further than the website traffic and software issues already identified.

Emerging errors include duplicate enrollments, spouses reported as children, missing data fields and suspect eligibility determinations, say executives at more than a dozen health plans. Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Nebraska said it had to hire temporary workers to contact new customers directly to resolve inaccuracies in submissions. Medical Mutual of Ohio said one customer had successfully signed up for three of its plans.

The flaws could do lasting damage to the law if customers are deterred from signing up or mistakenly believe they have obtained coverage.

“The longer this takes to resolve . . . the harder it will be to get people to [come back and] sign up,” said Aetna Inc. Chief Executive Mark Bertolini. “It’s not off to a great start,” he said, though he believes the marketplaces are “here to stay.”
 
The Obamacare implosion is worse than you think


Posted: October 16, 2013 - 4:35pm
By Marc A. Thiessen


Obamacare is imploding. But thanks to the government shutdown, everyone is talking about the implosion of the GOP instead.

The shutdown drama has distracted from the fact that Obamacare’s debut is worse than many realize — and it threatens the fundamental viability of the law itself. The administration claims the Obamacare online exchanges crashed because the Web site got more than 8 million hits in the first week. Please. You know how many people visit Amazon.com every week? More than 70 million. The difference is: 1.) Amazon seldom crashes, and 2.) on Amazon, people actually buy something.

It appears virtually no one is buying Obamacare. While administration officials brag about how many visitors the site is getting, they refuse to divulge how many people actually signed up. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was asked that directly by Jon Stewart on “The Daily Show.” “Fully enrolled?” Sebelius stuttered. “I can’t tell you. Because I don’t know.” That is a frightening admission of incompetence. If the Obama administration can’t even track how many people signed up, how on earth is it going to verify whether those people are eligible for subsidies? How will it protect against fraud?

The Post reported this past weekend that the failure of the Web site is worse than previously known: “Even when consumers have been able to sign up, insurers sometimes can’t tell who their new customers are because of a separate set of computer defects.” It turns out that in some 99 percent of applications, the Obamacare site did not provide insurers with enough verifiable information to enroll people in their plans.

Computer experts say the problems with the site are not because of heavy traffic but are the result of structural flaws in system architecture. It is going to take months to rebuild it. That raises a question: If the federal government can’t manage a simple Web site, how on earth is it going to manage the health care of millions of Americans?

It also means that President Obama may have no choice but to delay the individual mandate. As my American Enterprise Institute colleague, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, points out, how can Obama penalize people for not having health insurance if the government’s Web site to provide that insurance doesn’t work?

Without the individual mandate, Obamacare unravels. The only way the law works is if the government forces young, healthy people into it by threatening them with penalties for not carrying health insurance. But if there is no penalty for not signing up, then fewer Americans will sign up.

Even if the administration manages to fix the Web site and finally implement the individual mandate, people still may not join — because the plans being offered are so unattractive. To entice people to join the exchanges, the administration forced insurers to offer low monthly premiums and cover people with preexisting conditions. Insurers have responded by increasing deductibles — the out-of-pocket costs people must pay before insurance benefits kick in — to stratospheric levels.

According to an analysis this weekend by the president’s hometown paper, the Chicago Tribune, “21 of the 22 lowest-priced plans offered on the Illinois health insurance exchange for Cook County have annual deductibles of more than $4,000 for an individual and $8,000 for family coverage. . . . Plans with the least expensive monthly premiums — highlighted by state and federal officials as proof the new law will keep costs low for consumers — have deductibles as high as $6,350 for individuals and $12,700 for families.” Even with federal subsidies, few Americans will bother to buy insurance with a $4,000 to $12,700 deductible — and millions won’t even be eligible for the subsidies.

If enough Americans don’t join the exchanges, Obamacare collapses. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the administration needs at least 7 million people to join the exchanges for Obamacare to be financially viable. While the administration won’t reveal sign-up rates, London’s Daily Mail reported that total sign-ups in the first week were just 51,000 people. If accurate, that would mean they have just 6,949,000 more to go to break even.

Bottom line: It turns out Obamacare is blowing itself up just fine without Republican help. Far from a few “glitches,” the president’s signature program is in free fall after only a week. But instead of focusing on the Obamacare debacle, the news is filled with stories about . . . the government shutdown. The irony is, the shutdown was intended to stop Obamacare. Instead, it is rescuing Obama from his own incompetence.
 
Amazon has how many years to build up their servers?
 
the web site really couldn't have been worse done.

As for the plans, the deductibles are only part of the story. Preventive care is covered immediately and you can get plans with affordable co-pays for other typical stuff. The deductibles only come into play for the more serious stuff that most people don't experience in a typical year where $4000 is a heck of a lot better than owing $200,000. They also come into play for people who tie up the ER with stuff their primary care physician should handle.
 
Stop worrying about the website. It will work out in the end. They may push dates back if people have trouble signing up and that's fine. The point is the system as it stands is better than the old even if it is unconstitutional in your eyes. If you would like it gone than by all means win the next elections and replace it, or keep attacking food stamps and mexicans and lose. The republicans could have had easy victories if they stuck to their guns that the government spends too much money and needs cuts. But they singled out the poor, minorities, and women. Keep telling Obama to drop the Quran, that will help you. Keep the mainstream media talking about your racist ways. You make it too easy.

This whole time you could have been talking about the failures of healthcare.gov but you shut down the government. You make it too easy.
 
So if you are healthy enough to remain at home, and just need someone to come in and help you bath, do a well being check a few times a week and maybe do some physical therapy while on Medicare then Obamacare screws you. My great-grandmother looses the in home support she has next week. We have no choice but to put her in a home next we want her to continue getting the kind of help she has needed and relied on for the last few years. My grand parents have had her for 10 years now, and it was only the last few they needed help. Yes my great grandmother is old, but her mind is sharp and she has been thriving. Now its go to a retirement or old folks home to get anything close to the care she has had.

So while we celebrate insuring all these additional people lets remember it comes at a cost.
 
So if you are healthy enough to remain at home, and just need someone to come in and help you bath, do a well being check a few times a week and maybe do some physical therapy while on Medicare then Obamacare screws you. My great-grandmother looses the in home support she has next week. We have no choice but to put her in a home next we want her to continue getting the kind of help she has needed and relied on for the last few years. My grand parents have had her for 10 years now, and it was only the last few they needed help. Yes my great grandmother is old, but her mind is sharp and she has been thriving. Now its go to a retirement or old folks home to get anything close to the care she has had.

So while we celebrate insuring all these additional people lets remember it comes at a cost.

Stop whining about "cost", you over-privileged white boy! At least deadbeats get more free shit and that's all that matters. If your family has to be inconvenienced and get worse coverage and have fewer options and pay more for it, it's all for the "greater good" of everyone. Just think about poor old Jimmy Slouchass who spent his life squandering opportunities and making piss-poor decisions. How fair is it that he should have to face the consequences of those prior bad decisions? You insensitive, Republican prick! Besides, your family probably did something evil and/or unethical to get where they are today to be able to have more than some others have, so this just helps "level the playing field" for those you took advantage of to get where you are. After all, health care is right. Everyone should be able to get the absolute best care available regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Everyone should also be able to live in mansions and drive Maseratis whether they can afford them or not. And they should be able to eat Lobster Newberg and Filet Mignon every night regardless of their level of income. After all, health care and housing and transportation and food are all "rights" so everyone should get the best of everything. We are, after all, a Communist Socialist Democracy and everyone should have an equal amount of stuff.

:chuckles:
 
Kasich with a nice end around on the ohio house today to accept Medicaid expansion. Lol
 
So if you are healthy enough to remain at home, and just need someone to come in and help you bath, do a well being check a few times a week and maybe do some physical therapy while on Medicare then Obamacare screws you. My great-grandmother looses the in home support she has next week. We have no choice but to put her in a home next we want her to continue getting the kind of help she has needed and relied on for the last few years. My grand parents have had her for 10 years now, and it was only the last few they needed help. Yes my great grandmother is old, but her mind is sharp and she has been thriving. Now its go to a retirement or old folks home to get anything close to the care she has had.

So while we celebrate insuring all these additional people lets remember it comes at a cost.

Why did the bold happen? What does Obamacare do to prevent your Grandmother from getting that coverage?
 
Stop whining about "cost", you over-privileged white boy! At least deadbeats get more free shit and that's all that matters. If your family has to be inconvenienced and get worse coverage and have fewer options and pay more for it, it's all for the "greater good" of everyone. Just think about poor old Jimmy Slouchass who spent his life squandering opportunities and making piss-poor decisions. How fair is it that he should have to face the consequences of those prior bad decisions? You insensitive, Republican prick! Besides, your family probably did something evil and/or unethical to get where they are today to be able to have more than some others have, so this just helps "level the playing field" for those you took advantage of to get where you are. After all, health care is right. Everyone should be able to get the absolute best care available regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Everyone should also be able to live in mansions and drive Maseratis whether they can afford them or not. And they should be able to eat Lobster Newberg and Filet Mignon every night regardless of their level of income. After all, health care and housing and transportation and food are all "rights" so everyone should get the best of everything. We are, after all, a Communist Socialist Democracy and everyone should have an equal amount of stuff.

:chuckles:

Can I work for your HR department? :D

Solid management strategy should alleviate the need to deal with Unions!
 
Why did the bold happen? What does Obamacare do to prevent your Grandmother from getting that coverage?

Under ObamaCare Medicare Advantage Reform, the cuts and changes they have made as it was explained to me she will no longer qualify for the type of home health assistance she has been getting. I am waiting for the home health office to call me personally to explain. I probably should have waited to until I had that conversation before I posted here, however I think you can understand why I am/was understandably upset.
 

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