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Kasich with a nice end around on the ohio house today to accept Medicaid expansion. Lol

Ok I know everyone is obsessed with defending their national political teams, but I can't believe no Ohioans have commented on this. Hate to quote myself, and I'm not an Ohioan, but Kasich just stacked a controlling board to force thru medicaid expansion. A bordeeline state constitutional crisis just happened and nobody cares?

Anyone? My phone won't let me link
 
Under ObamaCare Medicare Advantage Reform, the cuts and changes they have made as it was explained to me she will no longer qualify for the type of home health assistance she has been getting. I am waiting for the home health office to call me personally to explain. I probably should have waited to until I had that conversation before I posted here, however I think you can understand why I am/was understandably upset.

That is not my understanding. My understanding is that the government subsidy has decreased, and become price regulated. I think what is happening is that many private insurers have determined that they will no longer offer these services at the rate required. So this may force you to shop around. You may or, unfortunately, may not find a provider in your area.

Sorry to hear this negatively effected you. I always thought the rampant screaming about Medicare Advantage was ridiculous. Why are we talking about reducing benefits for old sick people?
 
That is not my understanding. My understanding is that the government subsidy has decreased, and become price regulated. I think what is happening is that many private insurers have determined that they will no longer offer these services at the rate required. So this may force you to shop around. You may or, unfortunately, may not find a provider in your area.

Sorry to hear this negatively effected you. I always thought the rampant screaming about Medicare Advantage was ridiculous. Why are we talking about reducing benefits for old sick people?

Cost cutting in medicaid and medicare is nothing new. For my whole life I have had to deal with switching to new providers after a few years because Medicaid is trying to save money. Not too long ago I showed you that my catheters were 1200 dollars a month for me. Medicaid stopped covering them from this supply company. Now they are paying 600 per month. That is a 50% savings. While it really sucked for me to go out and find another supplier that took my insurance, really it saved the tax payers money and didn't put me out too much. Thanks Obama for making me make like 3 phone calls, fucker.
 
That is not my understanding. My understanding is that the government subsidy has decreased, and become price regulated. I think what is happening is that many private insurers have determined that they will no longer offer these services at the rate required. So this may force you to shop around. You may or, unfortunately, may not find a provider in your area.

Sorry to hear this negatively effected you. I always thought the rampant screaming about Medicare Advantage was ridiculous. Why are we talking about reducing benefits for old sick people?

I will talk to them tomorrow. According to my mom, she was told directly the only assistance that she can get for her is literally to put her in some type of home. Something about it is cheaper to that way. I am not sure, im disappointed that my great grandmother won't get to stay with my family and maintain the level of care she has had. I hope to have more answers soon.
 
two things

first, here is a great summary of obamacare

[video=youtube;JZkk6ueZt-U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkk6ueZt-U&sns=em[/video]

Second, I finally have a list of health insurance companies in ohio that participate in the exchange (at least the ones in my county). I got this off of the healthcare.gov site.

MedMutual
SummaCare
Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Kaiser Foundation Health Plan of Ohio
CareSource
 
Here's the reality - Millions are getting kicked off of their current plans that they were promised they could keep by Obama and Democrats.

Watch the 2nd video...listen to the numbers they need to sign up for the exchanges and why prices will go higher.

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(CBS News) CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration's efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.

The administration announced it would provide a new "shop and browse" feature Sunday, but it's not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."


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^^ that's true, I used that today. It doesn't ask for ages, smoking status, or number of children. That is where I found out the other companies that offer insurance in ohio, though.
 
Max, out of curiosity, what should we be doing? I mean, I see these anti-Obamacare articles, but they never bother to cite alternative solutions.

Should we even be attempting to provide universal health care, or is that for some reason undesirable?
 
And here comes the mandate delay...too predictable.
 
Kasich isnt against the concept of obamacare. in fact he is all for it. What he is against is the mess of legislation trying to implement it
 
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Elderly patients sick over losing doctors under ObamaCare

By Carl Campanile

October 25, 2013 | 4:18am


ObamaCare is making seniors sick.

Elderly New Yorkers are in a panic after getting notices that insurance companies are booting their doctors from the Medicare Advantage program as a result of the shifting medical landscape under ObamaCare.

That leaves patients with unenviable choices: keep the same insurance plan and find another doctor, pay out of pocket or look for another plan where their physician is a member.

New York State Medical Society President Sam Unterricht is demanding a congressional probe after learning that one health carrier alone, UnitedHealthcare, is terminating contracts with up to 2,100 doctors serving 8,000 Medicare Advantage patients in the New York metro region.

The are 2.6 million elderly New Yorkers who receive Medicare, the public heath-insurance program for the elderly.

But one in three patients — nearly 900,000 — are enrolled in Advantage, Medicare HMOs run by private insurers.

Dr. Jonathan Leibowitz, who serves 30 patients under Medicare Advantage at his Brooklyn practice, said he was blindsided by UnitedHealthcare’s decision to give him the boot.

“A patient can’t see his doctor? What are they doing!” he asked.

UnitedHealthcare told Leibowitz that because of “significant changes and pressures in the health-care environment,” he’d be getting the ax on Jan. 1.

Leibowitz’s patients are furious. Alfred Gargiulio, who has cerebral palsy with a seizure disorder, has been seeing Leibowitz since 1993. “Obama had said I could keep my doctor. Now they’re doing away with my doctor. They kicked him out! After 20 years, that’s not right. We love Dr. Leibowitz,” said Gargiulio.

Another patient, Wilma Streicher, 76, was equally baffled. “Of course I want to keep Dr. Leibowitz. I don’t see why they want to push him out,” she said.

Patients of other doctors faced the same dire situation. Lung-cancer patient Jeannette Campregon, 79, received a letter from EmblemHealth saying that her internist, George Ruggiero, was terminated from her VIP High Option Medicare Advantage network.

Emblem notified her she could stay in her current plan and choose another doctor, pick a different plan to keep her doctor or call a customer-service rep for help.

“I’m going absolutely nuts,” said Campregon, who got conflicting information from three different service reps. “I don’t want to change my doctor!”

Dr. Ruggiero said, “The people who lose out are the patients.”

Federal funding to Medicare Advantage is being pared back by billions of dollars in coming years under the national Affordable Care Act. Obama said spending on the program was higher than regular Medicare and unsustainable.

UnitedHealthcare, in a statement, defended the doctor-roster cuts.

“The changes we are making will encourage higher-quality health-care coverage and help keep that coverage affordable for [patients],” said UHC spokeswoman Maria Gordon-Shydlo.

A spokesman for Emblem said the less than 1 percent of its physicians were being cut from Medicare Advantage.

An Empire Blue Cross-Blue Shield rep also said it booted “only 1 percent of doctors.”

“Those physicians were in certain specialties, including cardiology, ophthalmology and podiatry. This was done to ensure a more balanced network that would better contain cost for members,” said Empire spokeswoman Sally Kweskin.

An official with the state chapter of AARP said it’s monitoring the “horrible situation.”

AARP Associate Director Shaun Flynn said Medicare Advantage is a popular program but cautioned it’s privately run, and insurers — not patients — decide which doctors participate.

‘It’s a case of buyer beware,” he said.
 
Max, out of curiosity, what should we be doing? I mean, I see these anti-Obamacare articles, but they never bother to cite alternative solutions.

Should we even be attempting to provide universal health care, or is that for some reason undesirable?

bump for max to answer. or anyone else that leans to the right. every other 1st world country on this planet offers universal health care for literally HALF the cost that the US has, obamacare is almost a cut and paste of a GOP idea from 20 years ago. but somehow its the most horrible thing obama has done. can anyone please explain?
 
Government intervention and regulations were a big part of the problem in the first place. Now that the government is all-in on healthcare it's only going to get significantly worse. The majority of americans were satisfied with their healthcare...we should have concentrated on fixing just those that weren't. The Govt can't do anything efficiently and screws up most everything it touches. It's already thrown $500M at this stupid website and what do we have to show for it after a month? Very few satisfied customers and millions of people getting cancellation notices from their plans that they were promised they could keep.


There are alternative plans out there, they just never get any media coverage.
Some ideas i've heard that i liked---
Allow small businesses like me to pool together with others to spread risk and get better rates like large companies.
Allow individuals to purchase across state lines.
Get creative with health savings accounts so people can have control over their own health care...allow people to transfer the money to family and friends.
Pool those with pre-existing conditions.
Massive medical liability law reforms to end frivolous bullshit lawsuits.
Transparency in pricing so people can shop and compare costs.
Remove the thousands of unnecessary regulations that do little to help the patient and only drive up costs.
 
They've known for years...they blatantly lied to us all. :(

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

NBC NEWS

By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye


President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

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“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs. “One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions. The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.

Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”

Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.

A spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), an insurance trade association, also said the 50 to 75 percent estimate was consistent with the range they are hearing.

Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.

George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.

And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.

"The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."

"I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."

Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, is raising a new baby while running her own PR firm. She said she received a letter last July from Cigna, her insurance company, that said the company would no longer offer her individual plan, and promised to send a letter by October offering a comparable option. So far, she hasn't received anything.

"I'm completely overwhelmed with a six-month-old and a business,” said Goldwater. “The last thing I can do is spend hours poring over a website that isn't working, trying to wrap my head around this entire health care overhaul."

Goldwater said she supports the new law and is grateful for provisions helping folks like her with pre-existing conditions, but she worries she won’t be able to afford the new insurance, which is expected to cost more because it has more benefits. "I'm jealous of people who have really good health insurance," she said. "It's people like me who are stuck in the middle who are going to get screwed."

Richard Helgren, a Lansing, Mich., retiree, said he was “irate” when he received a letter informing him that his wife Amy's $559 a month health plan was being changed because of the law. The plan the insurer offered raised his deductible from $0 to $2,500, and the company gave him 17 days to decide.

The higher costs spooked him and his wife, who have painstakingly planned for their retirement years. "Every dollar we didn't plan for erodes our standard of living," Helgren said.

Ulltimately, though Helgren opted not to shop through the ACA exchanges, he was able to apply for a good plan with a slightly lower premium through an insurance agent.

He said he never believed President Obama’s promise that people would be able to keep their current plans.

"I heard him only about a thousand times," he said. "I didn't believe him when he said it though because there was just no way that was going to happen. They wrote the regulations so strictly that none of the old polices can grandfather."

For months, Laszewski has warned that some consumers will face sticker shock. He recently got his own notice that he and his wife cannot keep their current policy, which he described as one of the best, so-called "Cadillac" plans offered for 2013. Now, he said, the best comparable plan he found for 2014 has a smaller doctor network, larger out-of-pocket costs, and a 66 percent premium increase.

“Mr. President, I like the coverage I have," Laszweski said. "It is the best health insurance policy you can buy."
 

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