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What is stopping insurance companies from jacking rates up significantly knowing that people are going to be required to get on board with one of them?

Free market rules are actually in effect because you can compare rates, competition. Nothing stops the insurance companies from jacking up prices, but a little guy would come and undercut them to get a piece of the pie. This was the problem before when you couldn't buy across state lines. They would have to collude and then they would be in trouble from racketeering. Also, they have to spend a certain percentage of what they take in out to their customers.

These parts of the law should have been around the whole time. You can't say,"I want choice" but then not allow insurance companies to compete for customers. If they like the free market so much, they should play by free market rules.
 
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1) Exceeds the Scope of the Commerce Clause – The purpose of Congress’s power to regulate commerce among the states was to end interstate protectionist measures and establish a national free trade pact. The Constitution does not give Congress the power to create commerce in order to regulate it.
2) Threatens the Notion of Limited Government – The individual mandate would be a grant of limitless legislative and regulatory power. This violates the doctrine of enumerated powers in which Congress is given few and specific legislative powers.
3) Imperils Religious Liberty – ObamaCare forces religious institutions to provide services that violate their faith.
4) Rewrites Contract Law – The individual mandate renders the purchase of health insurance to be compulsory. For centuries, it has been understood that a contract is valid only if all parties voluntarily and mutually assent to its terms
5) Charges a Financial Penalty to Regulate Behavior – ObamaCare imposes a financial penalty on those that fail to purchase health insurance. The Constitution does not grant Congress an independent power to tax for the general welfare and may not use taxation as a means to regulate activity, unless that regulation is authorized by the Constitution.
6) Imposes an Unconstitutional Tax – The Obama Administration asserts that the financial penalty is a tax. However, this “tax” does not satisfy the three types of taxes – income, excise, or direct – listed as valid in the Constitution. The penalty is not assessed on income so it is not a valid income tax. The penalty is not assessed uniformly and is triggered by economic inactivity so it is not a valid excise tax. Finally, ObamaCare fails to apportion the tax among the states by population, and therefore is not a valid direct tax.
7) Erodes Federalism – ObamaCare’s expansion of Medicaid is of such an enormous degree that states are coerced into compliance or risk abandoning the poor. ObamaCare would deny all Medicaid funds for noncompliant states.
8) Infringes Upon the Reserved Powers of the States and the People – The Tenth Amendment reserves powers not granted to the federal government to the states and to the people. Nowhere in the Constitution is Congress granted the power to compel the purchase of a product as a condition upon legal residence in the United States.
9) Neither Necessary nor Proper – The Necessary and Proper Clause grants Congress the means to execute its enumerated powers and adds no additional powers to the legislative branch. The regulation of inactivity cannot be necessary and proper in executing the powers of the Commerce Clause.
10) It’s Not Just Unconstitutional – ObamaCare will increase taxes and healthcare costs, destroy new jobs, add to the national debt, burden both small and large businesses with new regulations, and violate the founding principles of a republic expressly founded to secure the blessings of liberty.




 
What is stopping insurance companies from jacking rates up significantly knowing that people are going to be required to get on board with one of them?

rates are capped to 20% above actual medical costs paid out.
 
What is stopping insurance companies from jacking rates up significantly knowing that people are going to be required to get on board with one of them?

State boards have to approve insurance rate increases, whether for health, property or life insurance. Same thing for most utilities; water, gas or electricity. There is a mild uproar each time insurance companies submit plans to increase hurricane insurance rates down here in Florida.
 
Because that would be basic human decency?

Would that mean that the previous generations that never did this were indecent? I'm not trying to twist words, But I think that is how things were in the US before and the rest of the world right now and everyone did just fine.
 
Why Healthcare Costs Are About To Explode

Word out of Washington is that Obamacare is finally fulfilling its promise to bend the nation’s healthcare cost curve. Unfortunately, it’s bending it the wrong way.

Forty-one months after its passage, data are beginning to emerge questioning whether the Accountable Care Act (ACA) can actually provide care to more Americans for less. These data appear to be surprising to its advocates, but they’re merely old news to those analysts who repeatedly questioned how adding 32 million people to the insurance rolls could possibly lower costs – especially when many of them will need treatment for illnesses such as diabetes, heart disease and cancer which have gone undiagnosed for years. Furthermore, the population of those over 65 will have doubled between 2000 and 2030. Not surprisingly, compared to young people, older Americans use more healthcare, largely because they are more likely to have diabetes, heart disease, arthritis and cancer.

And many remember the first year of Medicare in 1966, when the cost of the program was $3 billion. Projections for the cost of Medicare in 1990 were $12 billion. The actual cost in 1990: $107 billion. Cost estimates of government programs are always underestimated, as will be the case with the ACA.

This increasing cost of care, which has taken a breather during the recession, is projected to rise dramatically as the ACA is fully implemented. In California, for example, it was recently reported that the cost of insurance on the ACA-mandated health insurance exchange will be more than 100 percent higher, than current rates, for the healthiest young adults. Several large insurers have already announced their intention of not selling policies in that state, an action that will certainly reduce consumer choice. What if they do likewise in other states as well? Less competition almost always translates into higher premiums / costs.

The expected increase in healthcare use, coupled with an increasing demand and federal government requirement to use more and more expensive technology, can be expected to add another percentage point to our bulging 18 percent of GDP devoted to healthcare. Even in an era of sequestration, federal government mandates will continue to thwart our ability to meet the nation’s healthcare needs.

Consider, for example, one of the many aberrations in the U.S. system that unnecessarily cost us billions of excess dollars: hospital site of service differentials. Medicare pays far more for physician services delivered in a hospital or hospital-owned facility than for the exact same services delivered or procedure performed in a private practice physician office. This happens because the government pays hospitals a so-called facility fee (Medicare Part A) to cover the costs of their buildings in addition to a professional fee (Medicare Part B) for actually providing medical care to patients.

Eliminating this aberration in our system would save billions of dollars every year with absolutely no reduction in quality or access to services. But the ACA, with its incentives for integrated care, is actually driving more physicians to hospital employment, pushing more services into the more expensive hospital-owned facility. It’s a consequence of the health law that the industry acknowledges needs to be resolved, as evidenced by MedPAC’s June report, which recommended Congress “move immediately to cut payments to hospitals for many services that can be provided at much lower cost in doctors’ offices.”

As we’ve reported previously, the government’s incredible red tape and reporting burden on medical practice have cast an emotional pall on the profession. They also add significant cost to every service delivered – with no demonstrable benefit to the patient. A majority of physicians (64 percent) we surveyed last year responded that more government regulation was a “very negative” solution to the health system’s cost and access challenges. It comes as no surprise then that many physicians complain that the ACA and various incentives force them and healthcare systems to spend considerable funds on electronic medical records that hurt productivity and do little to improve patient outcomes.

In a recent study for the Physicians Foundation, health policy analyst Jeff Goldsmith found that paradoxically, while physicians direct almost 80 percent of all healthcare spending, many of them feel powerless to change the conditions that generate unnecessary costs and create red tape. In fact, 82 percent of physicians feel they have little ability to change the healthcare system, according to the Foundation’s 2012 Biennial Physician Survey. By purpose or design, the ACA is driving physicians from the best and most cost-effective place to provide care – their private offices – to the most expensive place to provide care: the hospital.

Unless and until this trend is reversed, the cost of American healthcare will continue to rise at an increasing rate without any demonstrable improvement in access to quality healthcare services. The worst of both worlds.

In Medicine’s Dilemma, William Kissick, MD refers to access, quality and costs as the iron triangle of medicine. They are all in competition with each other. The lesson of the iron triangle is that there are inherent trade-offs in health policy. You may be able to improve one or perhaps even two of the three, but it will only come at the expense of the third. It is a safe bet that costs will escalate under the ACA


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It will be one thing if the US was running surplus right now, but with its deficits ballooning, It is the worst possible time to bring about a change of such a grand nature.
 
Unreal...this thing gets worse and worse. :chuckles:


68 Senators Vote to Create Incentive for Employers to Hire Amnestied Immigrants Over U.S. Citizens
9:49 AM, Jun 28, 2013

The immigration bill passed by the Senate Thursday afternoon would give some employers a financial incentive to employ "registered provisional immigrants" (illegal immigrants granted legal status) instead of U.S. citizens.
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As the Washington Examiner's Philip Klein recently reported: "Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens – at least 13 years under the Senate bill – businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead."
 
Would that mean that the previous generations that never did this were indecent? I'm not trying to twist words, But I think that is how things were in the US before and the rest of the world right now and everyone did just fine.

Pretty much every other advanced country has socialized healthcare. We are one of the only first world countries that has a system as fucked up and reprehensible as our healthcare system has been. Our system is designed to make a profit at the expense of human lives. Most other countries have systems that are designed to actually help their citizens.

Unfortunately, Obamacare is not the answer. It would be great if it were, but it's obviously not a great solution to the problem that we have in this country.
 
It now costs $200 at the local convenient care clinic to sign in. Then the actual nurse and/or doctor's visit is additional. This $200 sign in fee was just implemented in the last month. So, a visit that used to cost $300 now costs $500 for the same care.
 
The Insiders: Democrats are trying to suppress the confusion and hide the cost of ObamaCare


By Ed Rogers, Published: July 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm


I don’t know if Members of Congress will be hearing about it in town hall gatherings and other meetings back home over the Fourth of July recess, but the rolling thunder of the approaching ObamaCare train can be heard in the distance. Smart Democrats are beginning to get frantic about the need to suppress the confusion and hide the cost of ObamaCare between now and the 2014 midterm elections. We are just three months away from the October 1st enrollment start date and so far, nothing about the ObamaCare implementation process should be politically encouraging for Democrats. In fact, the more people learn about ObamaCare, the more frightened they become.

Right now, small businesses across America are making the final determinations on how to reduce the working hours of their employees so fewer employees qualify for the mandated, employer-provided health insurance. Employers are also deciding whether it makes more economic sense to pay a fine to the government or pay for healthcare benefits for their employees. What this means is that hundreds of thousands – and perhaps even millions – of Americans will learn that they are being dismissed from their employer’s healthcare coverage.

The healthcare pink slips will start raining down in late summer and early fall. This will push people into the healthcare exchanges, where, in some cases, people will be writing health insurance checks for the first time. And in many cases, people will be facing increased health insurance costs, particularly if they are young and healthy. The negative effects on personal income and the overall economy will be undeniable. Sometime next year, before the elections, the penalties associated with not having or providing health insurance will begin to pour in. Will the fines come in the mail? Will you be able to appeal? What happens if someone doesn’t pay? No one knows. Or, no one who knows is talking. The consequences of ObamaCare are being hidden.

Today’s Wall Street Journal article, “Health-insurance costs set for a jolt” hints at the debacle that is to come. At some point soon, it’s going to be undeniable that ObamaCare is nothing but another federal entitlement, where those who are young and healthy bear the direct cost of subsidizing those who are not.

In midterm elections, those who vote tend to be more engaged voters. In other words, these voters will notice if they have health insurance that is more expensive but offers less coverage than what they had before ObamaCare. Some of the Democrats’ reactions will be predictable, i.e. blaming Bush and blaming Republicans, or for a while, denying the obvious. But that won’t work forever. One of the worst sins you can commit in politics is to say something that’s different from what people can see for themselves. There is no chance that Obamacare will perform as promised and when it doesn’t, voters will be looking for relief.
 
I work for a Fortune 500 company. No changes yet. My wife works for a small business with one the best healthcare benefits for it's size. Their rates went down slighty, but their plans were all downgraded due to the cost for the employers.
 
What a sleezeball...no this isn't about the 2014 elections, people. He will still go down as the worst president ever.

White House delays employer mandate requirement until 2015

By Sarah Kliff, Updated: July 2, 2013


The Obama administration will not penalize businesses that do not provide health insurance in 2014, the Treasury Department announced Tuesday.

Instead, it will delay enforcement of a major Affordable Care Act requirement that all employers with more than 50 employees provide coverage to their workers until 2015.

(Photo by Jessica Rinaldi/Reuters)


The administration said it would postpone the provision after hearing significant concerns from employers about the challenges of implementing it.

“We have heard concerns about the complexity of the requirements and the need for more time to implement them effectively,” Mark Mazur, Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy, wrote in a late Tuesday blog post. “We recognize that the vast majority of businesses that will need to do this reporting already provide health insurance to their workers, and we want to make sure it is easy for others to do so.”

The Affordable Care Act requires all employers with more than 50 full-time workers provide health insurance or pay steep fines. That policy had raised concerns about companies downsizing their workforce or cutting workers’ hours in order to dodge the new mandate.

In delaying the enforcement of that rule, the White House sidesteps those challenges for one year. It is also the second significant interruption for the Affordable Care Act, following a one-year delay on key functions of the small business insurance marketplaces.

Together, the moves could draw criticism that the administration will not be able to put into effect its signature legislative accomplishment on schedule.
 
Why don't they just have a system like Australia's?
 
Why don't they just have a system like Australia's?

Because corporations run our country. Freedom is an illusion, a fading dream of something that once was or may have never been.

The American Dream is, sadly, just a myth; no more real than Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
 
Because corporations run our country. Freedom is an illusion, a fading dream of something that once was or may have never been.

The American Dream is, sadly, just a myth; no more real than Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
Sad

Fuck corporations
 

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