The worst team in the league

[Coyote]

If we can get through the early 2000s, we can get through this.

 

[Jon]

If we can get through the early 2000s, we can get through this.

We just might need to weed the fans who can't deal with an 8-game losing streak out ... heck, used to be a 3-game losing streak would rile up a few "Fire Mike Brown" threads.

 

[KI4MVP]

We just might need to weed the fans who can't deal with an 8-game losing streak out ... heck, used to be a 3-game losing streak would rile up a few "Fire Mike Brown" threads.

I'll be happy if we can stop this current streak at 8 games. We only have one sub .500 game between now and christmas (we play 8 games between now and then), and that's Houston on saturday. Yao could be back for that one.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

you can't play 4 games in 5 nights with 7 players, two of which are playing injured (mo and andy).

We are the only team in the league that divides the minutes up the way we do. We have one guy playing 30.1 minutes...everyone else is 27 and under.

Play 8 guys then.

Andy 32 JJ 16
JJ 16, Jamison 32
Parker 30 Graham 18
Boobie 35 Sessions 13
Mo 35 Sessions 13

These are professional athletes..30 to 35, very little difference here..in fact I would bet that they would want it..hell some of our starters exit 6 minutes into the game (no MATTER how well they are playing, in the Miami game JJ came out with some fire and played well only to sit anyway...he never regained the momentum he had when he came in 3 hours later...) to sit out the next 12 minutes in some cases!?!? How the hell does a player stay in rhythm sitting out so long? I think this is a huge issue for the team. And I am convinced Byron wants a high pick.

 

[ButterMPancakes]

So you're relying on good timing.

The indians had a large fan base once. I went to a game this year fairly early in the season, and decided a day or two before the game to get tickets. We got tickets in the front row right behind the team dugout. Entire sections all over the stadium were completely empty.

If you think we can be as bad or worse than we've been and retain our large fan base, here's a picture from the start of the 2nd half of the recent Celtics game

That was before we had lost 5 straight games by an average of 22 points.

Start of the 2nd half is quite possibly the worst time to judge any team's crowd. Here in Orlando, the new Amway Center is so damn big and has so many things that for the people going for their first time they may actually lose track of time and be back for the game later than they intended. And for basically every other arena, bathrooms are normally crowded and people go out to get something to eat/drink.

 

[Kouki]

If you think we can be as bad or worse than we've been and retain our large fan base, here's a picture from the start of the 2nd half of the recent Celtics game.

.....

Sorry, but what the hell kind of dumbass time to take a picture is that?

"Huur look here's a pic of the stands thirty minutes before tipoff! LMAO look at how empty it is!"

C'mon now.

 

[KI4MVP]

like I said, I've had those tickets for 3 years and it's never looked like that to start the second half. Not just my section, it was all over the arena. Ahmad was calling for the fans to stand and cheer the team on as we start the second half and I look around and almost nobody was even there to cheer.

 

[MoGottiFor3]

There should be zero concern about contraction. Seems fewer and fewer nowadays look and think long term and only look at the right now.

Seattle lost their team because they had terrible ownership who sold the team to a group of lying carpetbaggers from Oklahoma who lied about keeping the team in Seattle. The inability to get a new arena project going is also a reason. Cavs don't have an ownership problem and have a relatively new arena that also had recent renovations. It also has the now necessary luxury suites that the Seattle arena lacked.

The questions about whether the Cavs need to rebuild should be over now. There are no longer any if's about it. The key is getting Gilbert and Scott on board with it. There's a point where even they have to be getting to that realization. The worst thing now is that if you're going to lose you want to at least see good effort every night and have some players on the roster that give you hope for the future. Cavs lack those things now. They have some decent complimentary pieces but no one they can build with or around.

Jason Lloyd ABJCavsInsider

BScott was clear: He is not giving up on season. Says Chris Grant & Dan Gilbert aren't, either. Says he's nowhere near ready to blow it up. 8 minutes ago via TweetDeck

 

[Rich]

like I said, I've had those tickets for 3 years and it's never looked like that to start the second half. Not just my section, it was all over the arena. Ahmad was calling for the fans to stand and cheer the team on as we start the second half and I look around and almost nobody was even there to cheer.

Look, dude, just go start a "Cavs contraction" thread and stop posting about it in every thread you step foot in. It isn't likely. It isn't even close to being a concern. It shouldn't have to be said everytime you type something.

FInally, look at your pic again. There are signs under those seats. Jackets on the seats. Clearly people were using most of those seats and just hadn't made it back before half-time.

 

[KI4MVP]

Look, dude, just go start a "Cavs contraction" thread and stop posting about it in every thread you step foot in. It isn't likely. It isn't even close to being a concern. It shouldn't have to be said everytime you type something.

I've only briefly mentioned contraction - and did so in the context that the OKC model everyone loves ended up costing Seattle their franchise.

There are several issues I think should be considered.

1 - OKC hasn't won anything
2 - the massive lost attendance and resulting lost revenue from having a very bad team. With 20,562 every night, we can spend $100 million on payroll and be fine financially. With 11,000 or so and most of the lower bowl empty, we can't approach that. Bringing in talented, but slightly overpaid players, could pay for itself.
3 - maintaining our winning culture makes us a more attractive place to play. Players weren't asking for LeBron to commit to come here specifically because they wanted to play on LeBron's team, but rather because they wanted to play on a winning team.
4 - many teams are losing money, because of advanced season ticket sales, we have a 1 year cushion of being able to spend money to get a good team now instead of counting on draft picks panning out. it's generally a good idea to be one of the few buyers when everyone else is selling.

I only mention Seattle moving or possible contraction to point out that things can go very bad when you intentionally get bad to go after draft picks. For example, I'm sure there were quite a few Sonics fans who were in favor of blowing the team up when they traded Ray Allen. Why intentionally put ourselves in a position where our attendance plummets at a time when the league has financial uncertainty?

 

[Erbium]

Only 8 teams have won the title in the last 30 years.....When Lebron left we lost our chance. Truly a once in a lifetime opportunity. True to Cleveland, it didn't work out. That said....I can't do the 1993 to 2003 thing again. I want a team I can at least stand to watch. Bolster the roster and keep me interested (even if we don't take on salary, bring in some fresh blood. I'd be excited if the Cavs traded Parker and Moon for Antoine Walker right now...). Aside from grabbing one of the once in a lifetime stars (in reference to those 8 teams that have won: Magic, Bird, Moses, Isiah, Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Kobe, Wade) drafting a bunch of Danny Granger types get's you nowhere either.....Memphis, Philly, Minnesota, Clippers, Kings, Warriors, even the Blazers being much better examples of the pitfalls of the tanking plan than the preemptively crowned Thunder (which...by the way, they were the 8 seed last year and currently 14-8. They haven't even won a play-off series).

This is an entertainment business now. Watching JJ Hickson try to play basketball while trying to make sure it looks easy, and possibly being ashamed of HAVING to try hard does not entertain me.

 

[reality check]

I've only briefly mentioned contraction - and did so in the context that the OKC model everyone loves ended up costing Seattle their franchise.

False.

 

[Rich]

I've only briefly mentioned contraction - and did so in the context that the OKC model everyone loves ended up costing Seattle their franchise.

There are several issues I think should be considered.

1 - OKC hasn't won anything
2 - the massive lost attendance and resulting lost revenue from having a very bad team. With 20,562 every night, we can spend $100 million on payroll and be fine financially. With 11,000 or so and most of the lower bowl empty, we can't approach that. Bringing in talented, but slightly overpaid players, could pay for itself.
3 - maintaining our winning culture makes us a more attractive place to play. Players weren't asking for LeBron to commit to come here specifically because they wanted to play on LeBron's team, but rather because they wanted to play on a winning team.
4 - many teams are losing money, because of advanced season ticket sales, we have a 1 year cushion of being able to spend money to get a good team now instead of counting on draft picks panning out. it's generally a good idea to be one of the few buyers when everyone else is selling.

I only mention Seattle moving or possible contraction to point out that things can go very bad when you intentionally get bad to go after draft picks. For example, I'm sure there were quite a few Sonics fans who were in favor of blowing the team up when they traded Ray Allen. Why intentionally put ourselves in a position where our attendance plummets at a time when the league has financial uncertainty?

This is all basically wrong. Very few franchises have won anything in the last however long if by anything you mean a title. Should 20+ teams in the NBA be afraid of contraction too?

Who the hell is going to watch a team because it has ANdre Iguodala on it? For the 2nd time, PHILLY CANT SELL A TICKET TO SAVE ITS LIFE!!!Just ponder that and tell me what changes in Cleveland. People aren't going to buy tickets to see a 35 win team anymore than they will buy them to see a 25 win team.

The only way to maintain a winning culture is by building through the draft first. There isn't a single team in the currently in the playoff hunt who's best player wasn't drafted except the Heat and Lakers. You can't find a good example of a team losing it's best player and then rebuilding on the fly and being successful. You keep saying the OKC model doesn't work much and it cost them many years..ook, great, now show me the franchise that loses it's very best player and simply rebounds within a year through trades? I'll be waiting on that one.

Our winning culture+ Lebron James didn't get anyone wanting to play here so not even sure what you're talking about.

For the second time, Seattle didn't move because of blowing the team up. How many times must this be said before you stop repeating this falsehood?

 

[KI4MVP]

The fans want a team that's competitive. Tonight was much, much better. Play with the effort we showed tonight and we'll win our share of games and keep fans interested. Play like we did the last few before this and we'll lose the fans.

 

[KI4MVP]

For the second time, Seattle didn't move because of blowing the team up. How many times must this be said before you stop repeating this falsehood?

so you really think they don't get their new stadium if they have a competitive team?