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Why could nobody admit this 2 years ago?
Because vanity is human nature.
Why could nobody admit this 2 years ago?
We dont have much of a choice whether we tank or not. The good news is that the top prospects in this upcoming draft happen to fit the exact weak spots of our team.
This is the last year of the tank and then next year we go all out. We'll still have extra draft picks in the next few drafts to move up and target late lotto guys if we really like them anyways.
Lets get that last stud piece this year and then enjoy the ride.
Not really--we were close and I still think could've made something work if he stayed (even if it may have taken later than the 2011-2012 season to win a ring.)
I still think Durant's and Westbrook's committment to OKC are the exceptions; for most small markets, you have to build up winner in a short window and just hope.
You can say San Antonio is another "small market success story," but their market ranking per ESPN Future Rankings was something like 12th or 13th. Their situation cannot be compared to ours (we rank 20th,) let alone Detroit, Toronto, Milwaukee, Minn, etc. You can say Kevin Love signed an extension, but it's more likely than not he has one foot out the door as soon as it's up.
The thing that frustrates me is that long-term rebuilds are basically necessary in all but a few markets. The Lakers have only had 5 playoff misses in history, and having that few simply can't be attributed entirely to smart decision making by their front office.
But OKC is the exception because they put the right talent there. Same can be said for San Antonio (tho a different market size).Not really--we were close and I still think could've made something work if he stayed (even if it may have taken later than the 2011-2012 season to win a ring.)
I still think Durant's and Westbrook's committment to OKC are the exceptions; for most small markets, you have to build up winner in a short window and just hope.
You can say San Antonio is another "small market success story," but their market ranking per ESPN Future Rankings was something like 12th or 13th. Their situation cannot be compared to ours (we rank 20th,) let alone Detroit, Toronto, Milwaukee, Minn, etc. You can say Kevin Love signed an extension, but it's more likely than not he has one foot out the door as soon as it's up.
The thing that frustrates me is that long-term rebuilds are basically necessary in all but a few markets. The Lakers have only had 5 playoff misses in history, and having that few simply can't be attributed entirely to smart decision making by their front office.
When was LeBron's first year in the playoffs, out of curiosity?
2006.
We bombed in 04 and were prob 4 games out.
In 05 we were 1.5 gb the NJN. One game in the lose column but bc of a buzzer beater alley oop to Richard Jefferson, without Jason Kidd and a newly acquired Vince Carter, they owned the tie breaker.
In 2006 we won 50 games and began a heated rivalry with the Wizards.
When was LeBron's first year in the playoffs, out of curiosity?
Has ANYONE actually expressed this thought? That the players or coaching staff are intentionally tanking games?
Or did you just assume some people think this.
but again, if he is the real deal, would he not be capable of seeing the young talent around him and bright future ahead of the team?
Going back to a debate I had earlier, I can't help but wonder if the truly "real deals," i.e. Bron/Bosh/Wade, want to assemble their bright futures via superteam, whereas the merely "very good" players, i.e. Love/Rose/Durant, are the ones willing to commit to this young talent, be "the guy", and hope this young talent helps them suceed.
I had a debate on here in which I insisted that the first set was better than the second set; for one, Love has frequently presided over last-place teams while Bosh was able to lead very bad teams to or near the playoffs (and the difference was large enough to not be explained by east vs. west.)
How is Durant merely a "very good" player? He's the second-best player in the entire NBA..
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In general, I really think people need to stop worrying about Kyrie leaving. The odds are highly in favor of him signing a max five-year deal when he's up for his extension. Whether or not we keep him beyond that time frame is the real question.
Well in that discussion metalman and I were comparing LeBron to Durant (i.e. merely very good by comparison,) Wade to Rose (Wade was a better clutch playoff performer in the past and I suspect will be about equal for another ~2 years or so, since Rose will also have diminished ability) and Bosh to Love. Metalman's question was "You don't think Rose/Love/Durant could win a title if they teamed up?"
On your last paragraph, this topic, and the issue of potential attendance losses, were as I mentioned completely taboo and laughed off just last season, but looking through this thread are acknowledged and considered a potential concern by more than just myself.