Travis Barker and DJ AM critically injured in plane crash

[Mdog1]

Flying is safer. But for the reason that you probably have flown less in your entire life than driving in one month. I know that I am probably in a car more than 300 times a month, and on the flipside I have flown just six times. I agree with you Mac that I like the feeling of control, but what we do not control is the number of stupid drivers on the road whcih make it unsafe for us to drive.

 

[RuanuLaw]

In your opinion flying is safer. There are too many variables to make it apples to apples.

Wow. Are you for real?

Its basic. More accidents for cars than airplanes per year.

You are just stubborn and hardheaded. You are probably the type of person nobody can argue with, not because you are right, but because you don't really care what the other person says. Your way is it. Am I right?

And all you are about is the feeling of being in control! Right?

 

[PIP]

I completely understand where Mac is coming from here...

At no point have I ever been on a plane (and I fly all the time) and felt that it was safer than being in my car...

I think it just stems from the accident stand point... I've been involved in a couple car crashes, and I've never been involved in a plane crash (so obviously the risk factor of driving to flying is proven in my case there)

However, I've walked away from my crashes with barely a scratch... I doubt I would walk away after a plane crash...

I understand the stats, but I would rather be cruising down the street in my SUV, swerve from hitting a deer, and run into a telephone pole (or perhaps have the ability to control my vehicle from crashing) as opposed to crash into a field of nowhere while being restricted on a plane...

 

[Kavdawg]

You don't have control over the drunk driver ignoring that red light while you drive through an intersection either. Or the ditzy blond who is too busy talking on her cell phone to notice that she just switched lines right into you.

Airplanes don't just fall out of the sky, or spontaneously blow up. In fact, cruise is the safest phase of flying. Most modern aircraft with equipment that provide you locations of other aircraft with transponders flying around you. The United States also has the single best air traffic control system in the world.

Most accidents occur in the takeoff and landing phase and most of the times, are easily survivable. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned a goose flying into an engine. Just because an engine is lost in flight doesn't mean the plane will crash. In fact, an airplane simply becomes a glider when it loses engine power (even big jumbo jets).

More people will be killed in car accidents today then will be killed in airplane crashes all year.

Its safe, trust me. But like driving, flying safety is heavily dependent on the person driving/flying.

This dude is right. Here's some anecdotal evidence why BlueSeats is right...I was in a plane with BlueSeats himself when the electric system failed while cruising over Lake Erie right by downtown. The funny thing is I was totally oblivious to what he was saying from the pilot's seat and I was all giddy taking pictures of downtown thinking of how cool the experience was Well, we obviously lived to talk about it, so there ya go.

Seriously though, it really is no different from driving car in that there is still someone controlling the plane. The noticeable difference however is that aviation in general is much more tightly regulated with strict checkpoints and close monitoring by ATC guys. There's quite a bit of difference trying to jump in a plane and going for a ride than it is for me to jump in my coupe and head downtown.

From another personal experience though, I do understand how tragic these rare occurrences of plane crashes can be. One of my friends from back in college-her dad was a pilot and died while taking off when his plane supposedly clipped a powerline on takeoff. Seeing her suffer through that tragedy and hearing about it still haunts me to this day.

I wish the best for these guys who got hurt in this recent crash.

 

[Lee]

Flying is safer. But for the reason that you probably have flown less in your entire life than driving in one month. I know that I am probably in a car more than 300 times a month, and on the flipside I have flown just six times. I agree with you Mac that I like the feeling of control, but what we do not control is the number of stupid drivers on the road whcih make it unsafe for us to drive.

Actually, you are much more likely to die in a car crash each and every trip vs a air plane trip. Although once the crash happens, its not even close, car crash much less likely fatal over a plane crash, thats why it feels safer to drive, but its not. If you take a 600 mile flight, your chance of dying is 1 in 2,089,232. If you drive the same distance, your chance of dying is 1 in 88,263. It is 24 times safer to Fly. This is apples to apples. One trip. Same milage. Its even 10 times safer if you factor in commerical air lines only vs communiter. So if you fly commercial, you are about 240 times safer on the exact same trip than if you fly. Also

Why? Because it is much more difficult to get a pilot's liscence for one. Also, air travel is much, much more regulated. There are far less planes than cars, so less things to run into. And flying is far more regulated for safety than driving.

Another thing to consider. 1 in 75 people injured in an auto accident will die from the injuries. While 2 out of 3 who are injured in air plane crash die. Now when factoring in chance in just getting in an accident, while flying the 600 mile trip you have a one in 1.4 million chance of being injured or killed in a plane crash. On the same drive, you have a 1 in 1,177 chance of biening injured in an auto accident. Not to good at all. When considering injuries not fatalities, flying is 1200 times safer. Flying commerical is 12,000 times safer. Apples to apples.

But yes, unless you are the pilot, you dont control your destiny in a plane. Doesnt make it less safe. Just less comforting for the control freaks out there.

 

[Maximus]

Spokeswoman: DJ AM released from burn hospital
3 hours ago

AUGUSTA, Ga. (AP) — A spokeswoman for DJ AM says the celebrity disc jockey has been released from a Georgia hospital after suffering severe burns in a fiery plane crash a week ago.

Jenni Weinman said Friday that DJ AM had been released from the Joseph M. Still Burn Center in Augusta.

DJ AM, whose real name is Adam Goldstein, and former Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker, were rushed to the burn hospital last week after their Learjet crashed on takeoff from a Columbia, S.C., airport.

Two pilots and two other passengers were killed in the crash just before midnight Sept. 19.

An officer who was among the first on the scene said the musicians told him they escaped the flaming wreckage by sliding down a wing.

Doctors say they expect Goldstein and Barker to fully recover.

 

[David]

Meh, Hit a car at like 35 MPH or fall 300000 feet out of the air in a spiraling fireball...

Pick one


Surviving a crash is the exact opposite though, Going 35 or 600 MPH?

I would never fly in a plane

Ever

 

[kookoo]

Meh, Hit a car at like 35 MPH or fall 300000 feet out of the air in a spiraling fireball...

Pick one


Surviving a crash is the exact opposite though, Going 35 or 600 MPH?

I would never fly in a plane

Ever

Yea, you might be driving 35, the other guy might be driving 150. Even though your car could fail or you could be drunk and crash, it often takes two or more people to be in an accident. But when you look at the stats, the amount of cars vs planes and the idea that you are in a car more than in planes you don't even have to calculate that the chances of dieing in a car accident are higher.