Travis Barker and DJ AM critically injured in plane crash

[Mac]

Good for you, I don't care about statistics...this also wasn't a full plane crash, they had an error off the run way and never got fully in the air I believe. If you crash from full altitude, it's a wrap for you.

Ill take my chances in my car where I atleast have control.

 

[RuanuLaw]

Good for you, I don't care about statistics...this also wasn't a full plane crash, they had an error off the run way and never got fully in the air I believe. If you crash from full altitude, it's a wrap for you.

Ill take my chances in my car where I atleast have control.

YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL. Its all an illusion. When you drive 45+ mph, you got no control over a 4,ooo lb car that you drive, and you certainly don't got control over someone else's car.

Have you noticed how far it takes to go from 60mph to a complete stop? Look up on it, and come back here.

PS- You probably attribute "no control" in an airplane because you are not driving. IF SO, what about when your friend/gf/family drive, and you are in the passenger seat?

 

[cdt]

YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL. Its all an illusion. When you drive 45+ mph, you got no control over a 4,ooo lb car that you drive, and you certainly don't got control over someone else's car.

Have you noticed how far it takes to go from 60mph to a complete stop? Look up on it, and come back here.

PS- You probably attribute "no control" in an airplane because you are not driving. IF SO, what about when your friend/gf/family drive, and you are in the passenger seat?

He's saying you can steer around another car in certain situations, you can slam on your brakes to lessen the impact, etc things like that. In a car you can turn and position and break. Not every accident presents the opportunity for those things but a lot of times you have the chance to improve the situation before crashing.

In an airplane, if something goes wrong your falling out of the air and smashing into the ground....survival rate? .0000000000000000000000001%

Saying airplane's are safer because there are less crashes/deaths doesn't mean anything, the number of people driving on the roads and the number of people flying aren't even close. Of course more people are going to die on the roads, because there are more people out there.

As long as you pay attention to what you're doing 9/10 you'll be fine. Obviously there are drunks, texters, coffee sippers, cell phone users, music listeners that can kill you at any point, but it's not like everyone driving is like that.

I feel more comfortable in a car than I would a plane, just for the fact that I can control how fast I'm going, when I'm stopping etc etc...

With airplanes, you can't control the amount of fuel, whether there is enough, blizzards [which are yes dangerous on the ground, but even MORE dangerous in the air], fog...etc

I mean hell I've heard of planes crashing on the runway because seagulls get caught up in the engines...there's just so many things that can go wrong that are instantly fatal in a plane...I know some of you have flown 150 times or etc...but I drive probably 150 times in a month, and I've never been in an accident, so the statistics can go in several directions.

I'm just saying and it's personal preference, that I'd rather drive than fly...would I rather run fast and dive on my driveway or do a belly flop off my roof?

 

[Nicky]

Heres an update.

Both AM and Barker are expected to make a full recovery. New reports indicate that Barker's torso and parts of his hands received 2nd and 3rd degree burns. AM has 2nd and 3rd degree burns to his hands and part of his head.

 

[TAS]

Thats ****ed up...Hope they have a speedy recovery

 

[RuanuLaw]

Damn. The worse kind of burn is the face burns.

 

[kblade]

its the curse of mtv reality shows.

 

[Mac]

YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL. Its all an illusion. When you drive 45+ mph, you got no control over a 4,ooo lb car that you drive, and you certainly don't got control over someone else's car.

Have you noticed how far it takes to go from 60mph to a complete stop? Look up on it, and come back here.

PS- You probably attribute "no control" in an airplane because you are not driving. IF SO, what about when your friend/gf/family drive, and you are in the passenger seat?

Is a car on auto pilot? No..there is a human being driving it. Of course I have control over my car. That thing called a steering wheel makes it go left or right. The gas pedal makes me move forward and the brakes make me stop. There is a person that controls all of that, so yes, I am in control of my car. I can't control other people, but atleast I am aware and have a chance.

No chance in an airplane when in full flight.

 

[BlueSeats626]

You don't have control over the drunk driver ignoring that red light while you drive through an intersection either. Or the ditzy blond who is too busy talking on her cell phone to notice that she just switched lines right into you.

Airplanes don't just fall out of the sky, or spontaneously blow up. In fact, cruise is the safest phase of flying. Most modern aircraft with equipment that provide you locations of other aircraft with transponders flying around you. The United States also has the single best air traffic control system in the world.

Most accidents occur in the takeoff and landing phase and most of the times, are easily survivable. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned a goose flying into an engine. Just because an engine is lost in flight doesn't mean the plane will crash. In fact, an airplane simply becomes a glider when it loses engine power (even big jumbo jets).

More people will be killed in car accidents today then will be killed in airplane crashes all year.

Its safe, trust me. But like driving, flying safety is heavily dependent on the person driving/flying.

 

[Mac]

But you have an opportunity to avoid it. You don't have any choice sitting in a seat thousands of feet in the sky. Nothing but to think about the inevitable.

 

[stewieg]

Pilots, especially commercial pilots, are incredibly well-trained. They have to pass many, many strict tests just to be allowed to co-pilot. Literally years of training goes behind it.

Contrast that to the idiots on the road, and I can definitely see why more accidents (and deadly ones) happen on the road than in the air. Whether it's the little old lady with her seat pulled all the way forward so that her chest is touching the steering wheel, and who's lost her reaction time...or the bald, enraged middle-management type with his middle finger stuck in the rude gesture position riding about 2 feet from the car in front of him, or the reckless teenager swerving through 4 lanes of traffic while eating a Big Mac and texting his buddy while listening to his music at 200 decibels...there are way too many morons on the road, as just about any semi-competent person can get a license given enough cracks at it.

That's not to say that things can't, and won't go wrong in the air. That happens. When it does, you sure hear about it. But the truth is, they're very rare. Especially in comparison to cars. All things considered, you're safer in the air. And this is coming from a guy who once flew in a plane that had to be de-iced twice before taking off because it was so cold.

 

[Lee]

Is a car on auto pilot? No..there is a human being driving it. Of course I have control over my car. That thing called a steering wheel makes it go left or right. The gas pedal makes me move forward and the brakes make me stop. There is a person that controls all of that, so yes, I am in control of my car. I can't control other people, but atleast I am aware and have a chance.

No chance in an airplane when in full flight.

The one thing you are correct about that 2 out of every 3 people involved in a plane crash of any sort die. The percentage is much lower. Where your logic fails though is if you get in a car, you have a much, much, much higer chance of dieing than if you step onto an airplane. Flying is much more regulated and safer than driving. But all people have their illogical fears.

 

[Mac]

The one thing you are correct about that 2 out of every 3 people involved in a plane crash of any sort die. The percentage is much lower. Where your logic fails though is if you get in a car, you have a much, much, much higer chance of dieing than if you step onto an airplane. Flying is much more regulated and safer than driving. But all people have their illogical fears.

It is not illogical. I have control in a car, I do not have control in an airplane. There is nothing illogical about that. I don't see what is exactly so hard to understand about that.

 

[Lee]

It is not illogical. I have control in a car, I do not have control in an airplane. There is nothing illogical about that. I don't see what is exactly so hard to understand about that.

Because if you understood the logic of statistics, you would know how much safer flying is, but because you are using the false security of being able to control the vehicle, you think you are safer driving. I do understand that you rather have control. But if the thing you are in control of is 10,000 times more dangerous (which driving is than flying because of the amount of vehicles on the road and the lack of safety) then driving is not safer, just gives you the illusion of saftety, reality is, flying is safer.

 

[Mac]

In your opinion flying is safer. There are too many variables to make it apples to apples.