Trent Richardson TRADED

[The Human Q-Tip]

No, he's not...But from a production standpoint we won't see much difference.

You keep bringing up pass blocking and catching, like McGahee doesn't excel at both of those things.

I'd love to have the 2007 version of McGahee. I am not keen on the 2013 version. And when backs go, they tend to go fast.

Btw, Richardson had 51 catches in his rookie season. McGahee only had 30 or more catches once in his 10 year career. I think Richardson is a better blocker that McGahee was in his prime as well, though there aren't stats to prove it.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Richardson is a pretty awful blocker, let's be honest. It's easily the worst part of his game.

That being said, neither are really that effective as pass catchers.

 

[Ocelot]

I think Richardson is a better blocker that McGahee was in his prime as well, though there aren't stats to prove it.

In two games with the Browns this year Richardson was one of the major contributors to the atrocious protection, and it is likely why he wasn't in for several key third downs.

And while a lot of these obscure football stats are rather subjective..

Referenced From an Indianapolis writer Kent Sterling

Richardson graded as 61st of 63 running backs in pass blocking efficiency, according to Pro Football Focus.

No idea where this idea that Richardson is some outstanding pass blocker came from, but I've seen it repeated over and over (by media members as well, not just posters) and have seen little evidence on the field.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Richardson is a pretty awful blocker, let's be honest. It's easily the worst part of his game.

That being said, neither are really that effective as pass catchers.

Richardson had the 6th most receptions among running backs last year.

 

[Lee]

In two games with the Browns this year Richardson was one of the major contributors to the atrocious protection, and it is likely why he wasn't in for several key third downs.

And while a lot of these obscure football stats are rather subjective..

Referenced From an Indianapolis writer Kent Sterling


No idea where this idea that Richardson is some outstanding pass blocker came from, but I've seen it repeated over and over (by media members as well, not just posters) and have seen little evidence on the field.

People have a tenancy to think that rb's that run hard and through people are good pass blockers. Facts are this is not the case at all,. and Richardson is proof.

 

[AZ_]

I'd love to have the 2007 version of McGahee. I am not keen on the 2013 version. And when backs go, they tend to go fast.

Btw, Richardson had 51 catches in his rookie season. McGahee only had 30 or more catches once in his 10 year career. I think Richardson is a better blocker that McGahee was in his prime as well, though there aren't stats to prove it.

I guess if we're looking for stats to prove things, maybe you shouldn't discount that McGahee has outproduced Richardson not only in 2007, but throughout his entire career including last season. Willis has always been a solid run-blocking RB and pass-catcher, he's not going to get the same number of targets given he didn't play on teams as utterly horrible at passing the ball like T-Rich did.

Throughout all of this constant ranting about the trade, we have yet to see one argument that Richardson is actually a good player.

I think that's pretty telling in and of itself.

In two games with the Browns this year Richardson was one of the major contributors to the atrocious protection, and it is likely why he wasn't in for several key third downs.

And while a lot of these obscure football stats are rather subjective..

Referenced From an Indianapolis writer Kent Sterling


No idea where this idea that Richardson is some outstanding pass blocker came from, but I've seen it repeated over and over (by media members as well, not just posters) and have seen little evidence on the field.

Beat me to it, but anyone claiming Richardson to be some able blocker is just flat out wrong.

 

[AZ_]

People have a tenancy to think that rb's that run hard and through people are good pass blockers. Facts are this is not the case at all,. and Richardson is proof.

There is a reason he is getting pulled off the field on third-downs.

 

[caf]

Richardson is a pretty awful blocker, let's be honest. It's easily the worst part of his game.

That being said, neither are really that effective as pass catchers.

I recall them taking Trent out on pretty much every passing play, opting for Ogbonnaya to pass protect. And Obgonnaya wasn't that good at blocking. Some might even call him terrible.

That should tell you how awful Trent is a blocking.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Agree.

The Tate signing seems like a no-brainer. He's wasting his career splitting carries with Foster, and I see no reason he can't be made to fit in the Browns offense.

The second I saw that I though to myself, perfect signing.

Agreed 100%. People tend to forget he was drafted as their new feature back a while ago and then blew out his knee.

It never even crossed my mind that they should go after Tate, but it now makes complete sense. He's had some impressive YPC numbers and efficiency in his three years.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Referenced From an Indianapolis writer Kent Sterling

I hope you don't mind if I quote a bit more from that article you just linked. I'm not saying that I agree with the analysis, but evaluating the source is important:

The good news is that Richardson is really good at making tacklers miss. He is an exceptionally elusive back. He’s not Adrian Peterson, but he’s tied for the NFL lead in causing missed tackles.

Richardson is kind of a strange duck in that he causes missed tackles, but in almost 300 attempts Richardson has never broken a run for more than 32 yards. His long gain this season in 31 carries is 10 yards. The half full view is that Richardson is a consistent gainer of less than ten yards, rather than a Peterson who will run for 170 yards in 20 attempts because two of his runs totaled 145 yards....

To this point in his career, Richardson has been a singles hitter, but string together enough singles, and the runs come.

Another strength is Richardson’s ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. He has good hands and also led the NFL in causing missed tackles after the catch last season. If Richardson’s poor blocking scores are removed from the equation, he’s a top 12 back despite running behind two of the worst run blocking tackles in football with the Browns....

As far as the poor grades for pass protection, Richardson was graded as a very good blocker coming out of Alabama. There is a chance the poor assessment during his time with the Browns was due to poor schemes or inadequate work by the guys up front paid to keep Brandon Weeden upright.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I recall them taking Trent out on pretty much every passing play,

Out of curiosity, how did he manage to catch 51 passes if he was coming out on pretty much every passing play?

 

[AZ_]

Out of curiosity, how did he manage to catch 51 passes if he was coming out on pretty much every passing play?

He came out on third downs.

Captain checkdown managed to find him alot while not making his reads, mostly on first and second down.

Especially later in the season, Ogbonaya was getting much more run on obvious passing downs.

41 of Richardson's receptions came on first and second down.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There is a reason he is getting pulled off the field on third-downs.

Well, sure there is. You don't want to keep the guy on the field for every single offensive play, because that wears him out. So, you rotate him. And the best time to rotate him is when the only role he'd be playing is that of a blocking back, like in a third and long.

ETA: I'm not saying that Richardson didn't blow some assignments. All rookies do that, and given the crap we had at the OG position, and some of the terrible schemes we ran, that's going to happen. But I also saw him stick his head in there and stand some people up. I think his technique and power are fine. He's not one of those "ole" blockers that gets QB killed.

 

[AZ_]

Well, sure there is. You don't want to keep the guy on the field for every single offensive play, because that wears him out. So, you rotate him. And the best time to rotate him is when the only role he'd be playing is that of a blocking back, like in a third and long.

ETA: I'm not saying that Richardson didn't blow some assignments. All rookies do that, and given the crap we had at the OG position, and some of the terrible schemes we ran, that's going to happen. But I also saw him stick his head in there and stand some people up. I think his technique and power are fine. He's not one of those "ole" blockers that gets QB killed.

No.

Trent Richardson is either an every-down back, or he's not.

There is no excuse for being less of a player than Chris Ogbonaya. The Browns guard positions were fine last season and graded out as one of the top lines in the league.

He wasn't a good pass blocker, and it was bad to the point where he got pulled off the field for someone better. No need to make excuses for him.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

No.
Trent Richardson is either an every-down back, or he's not.

That doesn't mean he doesn't get rotated. No back is on the field every single down.

Anyway, this has gone on way too long. We have 13 games left to see how Richardson, the Browns, and McGahee do, and until we get the data from that, we're just going to keep going in circles.