Trent Richardson TRADED

[chrisrich91]

Q Tip is getting worked in here. :chuckles:

So do we think the 49ers are slumping or the Colts are taking off? I had this week chalked up as a Colts loss. I want that pick in the mid teens so badly..

 

[AZ_]

That doesn't mean he doesn't get rotated. No back is on the field every single down.

Anyway, this has gone on way too long. We have 13 games left to see how Richardson, the Browns, and McGahee do, and until we get the data from that, we're just going to keep going in circles.

You won't accept the data to this point, no reason I'd expect you to believe it after 13 more games.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You won't accept the data to this point, no reason I'd expect you to believe it after 13 more games.

WTH????

The data to this point is that Richardson's replacement -- who've you claimed gave comparable production -- has 9 yards on 8 carries, with no receptions. You've said we've got to give him time to get in shape before doing a comparison, and I'm fine with that. Let's see how each of them does with their respective teams.

 

[AZ_]

WTH????

The data to this point is that Richardson's replacement -- who've you claimed gave comparable production -- has 9 yards on 8 carries, with no receptions. You've said we've got to give him time to get in shape before doing a comparison, and I'm fine with that. Let's see how each of them does with their respective teams.

I was referring more to Richardson's prowess as a blocker, and his lack of overall production as compared to McGahee's last season. Not necessarily the smallest sample size we can find.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I was referring more to Richardson's prowess as a blocker, and his lack of overall production as compared to McGahee's last season. Not necessarily the smallest sample size we can find.

Okay, look, we're not going to agree on this. I'd agree Richardson missed some blocks in blown assignments, though I do think he's generally got good technique and can plant some good blocks. His rep coming out of college is that he was a very good blocker. It's not because of an inherent inability to block, or that he's incapable of doing it well.

The issue with McGahee is whether or not he has finally hit the wall that most RB's reach at a certain age -- usually quickly -- or whether he still has another year of good solid production in him. Neither of us know that, so we'd just be guessing.

So how about waiting at least until this next weekend before haggling more over whether Richardson and McGahee are really interchangeable, or not?

 

[AZ_]

Okay, look, we're not going to agree on this. I'd agree Richardson missed some blocks in blown assignments, though I do think he's generally got good technique and can plant some good blocks. His rep coming out of college is that he was a very good blocker. It's not because of an inherent inability to block, or that he's incapable of doing it well.

The issue with McGahee is whether or not he has finally hit the wall that most RB's reach at a certain age -- usually quickly -- or whether he still has another year of good solid production in him. Neither of us know that, so we'd just be guessing.

So how about waiting at least until this next weekend before haggling more over whether Richardson and McGahee are really interchangeable, or not?

It's not really just comparing him to McGahee, it's the three backs as a whole that are replacing his production.

They averaged 3.5 YPC Sunday, better than Richardson's season average.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I feel like I stepped in some dog crap and just can't scrape it off my shoe.

 

[godfather]

WTH????

The data to this point is that Richardson's replacement -- who've you claimed gave comparable production -- has 9 yards on 8 carries, with no receptions. You've said we've got to give him time to get in shape before doing a comparison, and I'm fine with that. Let's see how each of them does with their respective teams.

It's fair to give McGahee the benefit of the doubt, because he has a lot more room of success playing the position, and he's at least earn that much. Where as Richardson has not. It doesn't make either one of you right, or wrong, but to Boobie's point Richardson is fresh, healthy, and is in prime shape. He has no excuse to not be productive.

McGahee has missed training camp(regardless if he's been working out or not) the guy has not been hit, and he's not in football shape. Maybe he is washed up, and maybe he's finally hit that wall. That might be true, but its way unfair to suggest that after one game when he's basically come in off the street. Where Richardson has three games(really his entire career so far) and is in tip top football shape, and hasn't shown anything.

The two situations differ completely.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's fair to give McGahee the benefit of the doubt, because he has a lot more room of success playing the position, and he's at least earn that much. Where as Richardson has not. It doesn't make either one of you right, or wrong, but to Boobie's point Richardson is fresh, healthy, and is in prime shape. He has no excuse to not be productive.

I can't believe this. I keep stepping in this stuff.

Look, I was arguing a specific point someone else made that McGahee himself gives you just as good production as does Richardson. Based on his age, the fact that he is coming back from a torn MCL and compression fracture of his knee, and having no other teams show interest, I think that's doubtful,

I'm not arguing that Richardson is a Pro Bowler. I'm simply saying that at this point in their respective careers, Richardson is going to give you better production than McGahee. That's my opinion.

BUT, I agreed a post or two back that he may get better than he showed last week, so the best thing to do rather than recycling the same arguments is to see what the rest of the season brings for both of them.

Apparently, though, that's not enough, and you want to keep arguing. Why, I have no idea.

 

[Triplethreat]

Finally..... Same arguments the last 10 pages back and forth between you and b00bie. :chuckles:

 

[AZ_]

I can't believe this. I keep stepping in this stuff.

Look, I was arguing a specific point someone else made that McGahee himself gives you just as good production as does Richardson. Based on his age, the fact that he is coming back from a torn MCL and compression fracture of his knee, and having no other teams show interest, I think that's doubtful,

I'm not arguing that Richardson is a Pro Bowler. I'm simply saying that at this point in their respective careers, Richardson is going to give you better production than McGahee. That's my opinion.

BUT, I agreed a post or two back that he may get better than he showed last week, so the best thing to do rather than recycling the same arguments is to see what the rest of the season brings for both of them.

Apparently, though, that's not enough, and you want to keep arguing. Why, I have no idea.

Was last year a markedly different point in their career?

Either way, the Browns aren't losing much here. Now they have an extra first round pick to boot.

McGahee is basically a poor man's Richardson, similar production just getting up there. Still a smart, tough runner and hopefully he can shake the rust off sooner rather than later.

 

[Ocelot]

Well, sure there is. You don't want to keep the guy on the field for every single offensive play, because that wears him out. So, you rotate him. And the best time to rotate him is when the only role he'd be playing is that of a blocking back, like in a third and long.

I'm fascinated by what other teams are doing with guys like Ray Rice then, having him on almost every 3rd down.

 

[MattyFos.]

I am rooting for Richardson to have a successful career because I believe we won the trade. Period.


That being said. Some of you guys are making it difficult for me to want to root for Trent. Just to see you eat crow.

 

[Coyote850]

I personally think Trent will be a very good back in the NFL. Worthy of the #3 pick? Who knows. The drafts a crap shoot, we all know that. Everyone seems to forget he ran for 950 yards with broken ribs last year. That showed me a lots of toughness and will to win. Trents a good kid, he loved it here and he still wants the Browns to win and do well.

 

[Nicky]

Not so sure about him loving it here. I don't wish him to fail or anything, but he seemed to be such a one trick pony. He only seemed to go left... not an ambi-turner.

Perhaps he needs a team that can help him develop into a player who will increase greatly with yardage. It was the same play with the same results, here. Time will tell. Maybe he'll improve vastly..... But then I wouldn't enjoy this thread if he did. Waiting to see his stats from the next couple of games.