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Tristan Thompson

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1. Any and all stats for Tristan are disregarded around here. You bring up his per-game numbers, they're only because he plays a lot of minutes. Bring up his offensive rebounding stats, and they're only because he's standing by the basket clogging the lane. You can't bring up any per possession stats that paint him in a positive light, the only advanced stats that have any merit around here when discussing TT are the ones showing how inefficient he is.

2. Now we can't mention his age? Seriously? He just turned 23. He's still the fourth youngest starting PF in the entire NBA behind Anthony Davis, Tobias Harris (spent first 2 years as a SF, more of a small-ball PF) and Terrence Jones. TT entered the league as an extremely raw player, to act like bringing up his age is an invalid excuse is just absolutely ridiculous. Dion isn't even a full year younger than Tristan, why don't you hop on over to that thread and see how often his age is brought up.

3. TT haters bring up his hand switch more than anyone now, it's become a running joke. Not many people were expecting him to start hitting mid-range jumpers with ease after attempting the switch, I find it impressive he's actually continued his slow, steady improvement from the free throw line this year. He's at 67% for the season, I don't think it was reasonable to expect this so soon when he entered the league. He didn't break 50% from the line in college (48.7%), yet he's sniffing 70% this year.

1. YES. I'm going to disregard numbers when I can watch the damn player play. He can put up great numbers, but he can impact a game negatively in a way that doesn't show up in those numbers. I don't understand why that point is so hard to grasp..?

2. I never said you can't mention his age. But I can't get excited about his age/ceiling because I have watched every minute of the guy since he's entered the NBA. The robotic movement, the lack of feel for the game on offense, the lack of explosiveness when trying to protect the rim on defense...these are things that look like long term issues that are going to be incredibly hard to correct.

3. The free throw shooting has been very good. I commend Tristan on that. But at the end of the day, his improving FT shooting has a certain value to it...and that value isn't enough to overcome his deficiencies.

I'm exhausted from the hours I've been working recently, so I'm going to stop here. But the AB stuff is something we're going to disagree on at the root. Since Bennett's first time checking into an NBA game this season I have been on a completely different wavelength than a ton of people on here. I guess I'm on the Rchfld wavelength :chuckles:. This season has been like a giant Summer League to me in terms of Bennett. The numbers mean nothing...I've been watching past the numbers. Bennett knows the game very well. It will show as he settles down on the court. If you were watching close enough, you'd be excited by the BBIQ shown by a kid of his experience level and poor results on the court this season.
 
He did have a good game tonight. He was due. Still no damn assists!! But I'll be happy for him on this win. Cavs plays Pistons tomorrow, he will do fabulously against under 500 teams.
 
Wouldn't hand switching be a negative argument? I mean, someone who is switching hands at this point in his career is obviously not doing it because his shot was awesome.

Hmm the term hand-switching sounds a little sexual. I'm conflicted. LoL
 
1. YES. I'm going to disregard numbers when I can watch the damn player play. He can put up great numbers, but he can impact a game negatively in a way that doesn't show up in those numbers. I don't understand why that point is so hard to grasp..?

2. I never said you can't mention his age. But I can't get excited about his age/ceiling because I have watched every minute of the guy since he's entered the NBA. The robotic movement, the lack of feel for the game on offense, the lack of explosiveness when trying to protect the rim on defense...these are things that look like long term issues that are going to be incredibly hard to correct.

3. The free throw shooting has been very good. I commend Tristan on that. But at the end of the day, his improving FT shooting has a certain value to it...and that value isn't enough to overcome his deficiencies.

I'm exhausted from the hours I've been working recently, so I'm going to stop here. But the AB stuff is something we're going to disagree on at the root. Since Bennett's first time checking into an NBA game this season I have been on a completely different wavelength than a ton of people on here. I guess I'm on the Rchfld wavelength :chuckles:. This season has been like a giant Summer League to me in terms of Bennett. The numbers mean nothing...I've been watching past the numbers. Bennett knows the game very well. It will show as he settles down on the court. If you were watching close enough, you'd be excited by the BBIQ shown by a kid of his experience level and poor results on the court this season.

I don't know about this part. It feels like you'd be hard pressed to substantiate this claim.

Defensively, Bennett just looked lost for most of the season. He had moments, particularly when he got in better shape that showed he could defend in the post and handle rotations, but they were only moments and nothing special for a lottery pick rookie if we're being honest (that is, not saying it largely because we're rooting for Bennett to succeed).

Offensively, he was hardly sharp either. When he was on he looked good, but so do most. He was neither very smart with his shot selection nor was he crafty around the basket nor was he moving overly intelligently off the ball. Further, various scouting reports of Bennett during his time at UNLV also cited a need for him to improve in terms of basketball IQ.

From DraftExpress when talking about his offense: "Needs to improve IQ to maximize potential."
From DraftExpress when talking about his defense: "Poor off the ball defender, looks lost."

Basketball IQ has never really been Bennett's calling card. I think you're touting it simply because a lot of this team's potential rests on Bennett's (mighty) shoulders. I totally agree that Bennett looks natural (especially in comparison to TT); that is, he moves fluidly and looks like he has a nose for putting the ball in the bucket (if even he struggled to actually do it). But, basketball IQ? Bennett has no surplus of it. It's not a huge concern to me or anything, but it's average at very best for a blue-chipper.
 
1. YES. I'm going to disregard numbers when I can watch the damn player play. He can put up great numbers, but he can impact a game negatively in a way that doesn't show up in those numbers. I don't understand why that point is so hard to grasp..?

2. I never said you can't mention his age. But I can't get excited about his age/ceiling because I have watched every minute of the guy since he's entered the NBA. The robotic movement, the lack of feel for the game on offense, the lack of explosiveness when trying to protect the rim on defense...these are things that look like long term issues that are going to be incredibly hard to correct.

3. The free throw shooting has been very good. I commend Tristan on that. But at the end of the day, his improving FT shooting has a certain value to it...and that value isn't enough to overcome his deficiencies.

1. Great to know you're disregarding the only realistic way to judge all NBA players. Unless you're watching every single NBA game you're already using them to base a lot of what you know. They aren't the only piece to the puzzle, but to disregard numbers you don't agree with is just immature, even if you are watching the games. And IMO, Tristan Thompson is the type of player you appreciate more while actually watching. His relentless hustle after loose balls, his ability to pick up easy fouls, and his effective screen setting all don't show up in the box score but are important aspects of his game that every NBA player doesn't bring to the table.

2. The "robotic movement" is overblown. He can look awkward on the block against bigger opponents when he's trying to create offense, but that doesn't extend to every part of his game. No one thinks he looks mechanical when he's running the court or crashing the boards, you have to be an athletic presence to do it as well as TT does. And for a player that lacks a feel for the game offensively he sure looked pretty good tonight, 15 points on 4 shots from the field?

3. I'd be glad to hear what your vague values are. I'd say one of the biggest knocks on Tristan was his poor free throwing shooting coming into the league, the fact he looks like he can hit over 70% by next year is wildly encouraging to someone without an ax to grind with him.

I'm exhausted from the hours I've been working recently, so I'm going to stop here. But the AB stuff is something we're going to disagree on at the root. Since Bennett's first time checking into an NBA game this season I have been on a completely different wavelength than a ton of people on here. I guess I'm on the Rchfld wavelength :chuckles:. This season has been like a giant Summer League to me in terms of Bennett. The numbers mean nothing...I've been watching past the numbers. Bennett knows the game very well. It will show as he settles down on the court.

I understand sticking up for a player, especially during the start AB had to his career. There was actual posts on his thread that his salary would be too unbearable for next season, which is just ridiculous. Weeks into his career and he's already being calling a bust, I get that you've stuck by him.

But you're just going off into a fantasy land with most of this here. I'm glad you viewed this season as a string of meaningless exhibition games, AB was right there alongside you. And his numbers should mean something to you, but I guess it fits along with your disregard of numbers though, eh?

If you were watching close enough, you'd be excited by the BBIQ shown by a kid of his experience level and poor results on the court this season.

... What are you even talking about? Excited by a high BBIQ you imagined, or the poor results? I watch every game, I really can't understand how you can preach a deeper understanding of the game of basketball while dismissing TT's contributions to a team. He plays a winning style of basketball, he's happy with being the 4th or 5th option on the court and giving it his all on the boards and on defense. In this one disaster of season from AB I saw more lazy, careless plays than Tristan's made his entire career. The numbers and eye test back this up, Bennett was a complete train wreck of a basketball player. Doesn't mean he can't bounce back next year, but wow was he just absolutely terrible this year.
 
Bennett had some great touch passes and finishes that showed his offensive bball IQ this year.

They were few and far between, but then again, so was his comfort on the court.
 
Bennett had some great touch passes and finishes that showed his offensive bball IQ this year.

They were few and far between, but then again, so was his comfort on the court.

AB flashed some passing ability this year, I can recall a beautiful bounce pass to a cutting Kyrie that was very impressive. But as you said, those moments were few and far in between. He had a whopping 17 assists all year, good for a per-36 of .9 dimes a game. AB almost had a 3-to-1 turnover to assist ratio, which sure doesn't help the argument that Bennett had an impressive feel for the offensive side of the ball this year. By comparison, TT was a black hole on offense his rookie year and averaged .7 assists per-36.

And I fail to see how a player's finishing ability has anything to do with BBIQ, that's a physical skill attributed to his great athleticism. When AB wasn't camped behind the 3 point line he showed an ability to move off the ball, but he was way too content to launch 3's all game off the pick and pop.

I'm not trying to tear AB a new one here, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the perpetuated claim that AB showcased some high BBIQ to people who watch the game closely enough. It's a baseless observation that can't be backed by any tangible evidence, just a blind belief that he's guaranteed to turn it around next year. I'm hoping he does, we could have one of the best PF duos in the entire league. I'm just skeptical, and have a prove-me-wrong attitude toward AB after watching him closely this year.
 
Will TT ever learn to catch the pass in the paint and go right up instead of gathering himself and getting the shot swatted back at him?

Will he ever be enough of a consistent threat inside that opponents don't necessarily have to trap/double him, but he at least would make a player other than his man take a step toward him, thus freeing up an outside shooter?
 
Holy fuck does this dude suck.

I can't remember the last time not seeing him getting blocked or just throwing a wild shot.

He looks like he's regressed 3 years.

The attempted post up I just witnessed was so embarrassing to watch.
 
Still hoping of a gif of his hilarious failed dunk where he fell on his ass.
 
It's crazy how TT couldn't do no wrong 2 months ago and now everybody is ready to trade him...
 
It's crazy how TT couldn't do no wrong 2 months ago and now everybody is ready to trade him...

It coincides with his production: he's been awful in March outside a game or two.

It is disconcerting that his best stints seem to correlate when he doesn't have to play with another quality big (his production goes up when AV goes out and again nosedived when Hawes was hot and then AV returned). Second year in a row this has happened and it's not just total numbers, his efficiency improves as well. He's not good enough to be a big you build the rest of your frontcourt around
 

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