Tristan Thompson

[godfather]

You don't think LeBron is in his ear too?
TT is definitely going to listen to LeBron, who is probably telling him to be strong. Get every dollar you can.

Yep. Cavs are going to get royally fucked. The only way we don't, is if they take this into free agency next year. I want that to happen. I hope it happens. But I realize how stupid it would be for them to do that.

I don't think it's happening. But, if there's an off chance Paul really believes he can get Tristan that money, then it's possible.

He's lost it if he really believes that. But it would work out great for us. I think the Cavs should be hoping for that, too.

No one is paying Tristan max dollar, that's just laughable.

 

[macbdog]

What exactly is the luxury tax hit from just Tristan signing his desired deal and also overall, then, for the Cavs? I happened to notice earlier today, for example, that the Boston Red Sox paid a 31 million dollar tax to sign Cuban defector Yoan Moncada earlier this year to a 31 million dollar contract. Moncada will probably be in the minors another year or so. I'm also reminded of when the Sox went out and paid a 51 million dollar posting fee for Dice-K. This surprised me because we act like Gilbert is willing to spend, but he is balking at this tax like it is completely unprecedented yet the Sox went out and ponied up even more for a guy who is not even a big leaguer yet.

 

[Mdog1]

This whole thing has my mind blown. I just can't understand what TT's end game in this is.

If he wants the max, 94 million over 5 years, and takes the QO this year, that means that over the next 4 years he needs to make roughly 87 million, or 21.75 million a year...

Does anybody see that happening? I can't imagine a scenario where that happens.

Edit: ^ Isn't it somewhere around 3.50 per dollar? So 15 million is 52.5 million plus the 15 million in salary, 77.5 million for a season of TT...

 

[godfather]

This whole thing has my mind blown. I just can't understand what TT's end game in this is.

If he wants the max, 94 million over 5 years, and takes the QO this year, that means that over the next 4 years he needs to make roughly 87 million, or 21.75 million a year...

Does anybody see that happening? I can't imagine a scenario where that happens.

Nope, not happening. I think he potentially could lose 40 million, personally. If it's true we're set on giving him a 80 million year deal.

Yes, I do think Tristan could potentially be paid 40 million less than what we offered. What a shit load of money to potentially lose. I don't know if that would happen, but differences in money he stands to lose, I think is significant.

I think the most he could earn on the market is 70 million, and I give that a very, very low chance. I'd be surprised. My mouth will drop to the floor if he gets anything higher than that.

I don't think he gets more than Robin Lopez. I just really don't see teams valuing him more than a guy like that.

I think people underestimate what other teams seriously value when it comes to big men, and Tristan doesn't fit the bill in any regard. So it's going to be hard seeing him generate so much money on the market.

This SAME shit happen to Andy, years ago, when he tried to play the market, and he was a lot better. Big men that don't have attractive skill sets one either side of the ball have a hard time generating so much money.

 

[Rich]

What exactly is the luxury tax hit from just Tristan signing his desired deal and also overall, then, for the Cavs? I happened to notice earlier today, for example, that the Boston Red Sox paid a 31 million dollar tax to sign Cuban defector Yoan Moncada earlier this year to a 31 million dollar contract. Moncada will probably be in the minors another year or so. I'm also reminded of when the Sox went out and paid a 51 million dollar posting fee for Dice-K. This surprised me because we act like Gilbert is willing to spend, but he is balking at this tax like it is completely unprecedented yet the Sox went out and ponied up even more for a guy who is not even a big leaguer yet.

Red Sox are also a significantly more valuable franchise than the Cavaliers. That also factors into the equation. An owner is most likely going to be more willing to spend on a venture that can ultimately make him more money in the long run.

 

[Tlyons]

What's Paul's pitch look like for a 94 million dollar contract?

Clips of Mark Jackson and JVG praising Tristan on ABC during the finals for grabbing a rebound?

Tristan must have gotten a "momma there goes that man" or something.

 

[godfather]

Those that actually think Tristan is going to get paid next year. I'd like to know why exactly.

Think about the sell to the fanbase, that another GM would have to do when justifying this signing.

We paid him 80-90 million dollars, because he's a good offensive rebounder and a good defender on the switch? WTF, seriously? That it? lol Say that to yourselves, let it sink in, then you'll realize how ridiculous it is.

The guy doesn't bring one really attractive skillset on either side of the ball, that teams cream their pants over to justify big contracts.

I have a better chance of sitting on my ass for the rest of my life, and a million dollars showing up at my door because of it.

 

[macbdog]

I'm still flabbergasted at all the fans that do not seem to realize that the impending cap explosion is going to result in numerous free agents being way overpaid, with Tristan setting up to be one of the few who can offer the kind of youth and upside that a GM can be easily sold on... especially when the alternative is to come up with nothing since there will be so many buyers. What Tristan is worth is ultimately set by the market, and this will be a market for the ages. The signing GM will justify it because that is the market, and the fans of the signing team will- just like Cabs fans were when they went out and spent on that awesome trio of Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones- just happy that their team got their FAs for once. Fans delude themselves all the time with the promise of 'potential', and whether fans want to acknowledge it or not, Tristan's combo of athletic ability, hustle, and hard work tend to lead one to believe he will continue to improve as he ages in the game. Too much cash will be floating around next offseason for someone NOT to overpay to add a 25 year old, playoff proven power forward with that sparkly 'potential'.

 

[Tornicade]

That still doesn't justify the fact that A.) Paul was trying to get a gigantic deal for his client, and B.) He failed to, badly....

This is something a lot of players have to factor into it. But they didn't appear to last summer.

Sure, some players/agents value security a lot more than the biggest contract, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

But when you set your sights on a bigger contract, fail to get it, when it turns out you could have, that's just bad negotiating tactics.

Bledsoe is 25, not 32. The odds were still heavily in his favor, he'd get paid one way or another.

Wes Matthews, a guy that's 28, coming off the worst basketball injury you can get, got 70 million.

There's almost no risk, when you're young, have talent like Bledsoe has. You're almost guaranteed to get paid, unless you have a career ending injury.

This is not the same case with Thompson. Although young, not a lot of talent/upside. So if he had a bad injury, his value would drop way off. Part of his value at this point is his durability. If he lost that, then, I don't think many teams would touch him for 10 million plus a year, personally. We're talking a DRASTIC drop off he could risk.

When a player gets a larger contract than what his team offered. Thats a win. doesnt matter how much he asked for.

not sure why Bledsoe's contract gets cited as a fail when it netted a bigger contract.

 

[godfather]

I'm still flabbergasted at all the fans that do not seem to realize that the impending cap explosion is going to result in numerous free agents being way overpaid, with Tristan setting up to be one of the few who can offer the kind of youth and upside that a GM can be easily sold on... especially when the alternative is to come up with nothing since there will be so many buyers. What Tristan is worth is ultimately set by the market, and this will be a market for the ages. The signing GM will justify it because that is the market, and the fans of the signing team will- just like Cabs fans were when they went out and spent on that awesome trio of Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones- just happy that their team got their FAs for once. Fans delude themselves all the time with the promise of 'potential', and whether fans want to acknowledge it or not, Tristan's combo of athletic ability, hustle, and hard work tend to lead one to believe he will continue to improve as he ages in the game. Too much cash will be floating around next offseason for someone NOT to overpay to add a 25 year old, playoff proven power forward with that sparkly 'potential'.

I'm still flabbergasted, that in result means, teams are going to gigantically, and badly, overpay someone like Tristan just because of this fact.

There's a difference between willing to overpay, and then grossly overpay a player of Tristan's talents, that are hardly irreplaceable in this league.

And what get's lost in this is that the '16 free agency is bad. Some think this will work to Tristan's advantage. But do you think teams can only seeing into one year?

The '17 class is ridiculously deep and good. It's the same reason teams were reluctant to spend much in free agency before the '10 off-season.

After Kevin Durant, it's pretty much poop next year.

 

[godfather]

When a player gets a larger contract than what his team offered. Thats a win. doesnt matter how much he asked for.

not sure why Bledsoe's contract gets cited as a fail when it netted a bigger contract.

Oh Torn, you do realize if he played for the QO he would have been maxed out this year, right?

Of course, unless you're going to tell me that Tristan has more value on the market.

 

[Tornicade]

What exactly is the luxury tax hit from just Tristan signing his desired deal and also overall, then, for the Cavs? I happened to notice earlier today, for example, that the Boston Red Sox paid a 31 million dollar tax to sign Cuban defector Yoan Moncada earlier this year to a 31 million dollar contract. Moncada will probably be in the minors another year or so. I'm also reminded of when the Sox went out and paid a 51 million dollar posting fee for Dice-K. This surprised me because we act like Gilbert is willing to spend, but he is balking at this tax like it is completely unprecedented yet the Sox went out and ponied up even more for a guy who is not even a big leaguer yet.

14+ 15.05 + 16.10 +17.15 +18.20 This is an 80 million dollar deal with max increases
16.4+17.6+18.8+20+21.3 is 94 million

thats a 2.4 million difference for 10.2 million in tax.

however
15+ 16.125 + 17.250+ 18.375 + 19.500 comes out to 86.25
Which first year tax wise would cost 1 million more + 4.25 million increased tax cost from what they are reported to initially offer.

 

[Tornicade]

Oh Torn, you do realize if he played for the QO he would have been maxed out this year, right?

Of course, unless you're going to tell me that Tristan has more value on the market.

I dont think that would of been a good risk for a guy like Bledsoe to take.Apparently neither did Bledsoe

 

[PedroFlu]

This is going down to the wire. Paul has absolutely no reason to sign something now. Why wouldn't he wait till the last minute to see if Cavs fold, even if it's unlikely?

Anyway, Tristan has very little chance of signing the QO. It's just a stupid idea, with a very high risk for little gain (over that 80M contract he could sign now).

My guess is: it goes all the way till the end of the deadline, when parties agree to a middle - between the 80M and 94M, going for a deal of around 85/86M. TT wins, honestly.

 

[godfather]

I dont think that would of been a good risk for a guy like Bledsoe to take.Apparently neither did Bledsoe

Really? lol But it's a good risk for Tristan to? Makes no sense.