Tristan Thompson

[Jstock12]

Teams do not sign Tristan. Tristan signs teams.

 

[Rich]

Teams do not sign Tristan. Tristan signs teams.

Apparently. Apparently teams that JUSt invested 20 million dollars a year into the PF spot are still gonna be chasing Tristan Thompson at 18 million a year to come off the bench. He's gotta be the greatest bench player the league has ever known.

 

[Jstock12]

Apparently. Apparently teams that JUSt invested 20 million dollars a year into the PF spot are still gonna be chasing Tristan Thompson at 18 million a year to come off the bench. He's gotta be the greatest bench player the league has ever known.

Apparently he's planning to sign Toronto Raptors to a max deal next year. Aren't the Raptors lucky.

 

[Omar The Horse]

Just get dirty and dump that $14 million difference into one of Bron's foundations into an off shore TT account.

 

[Ecmic]

Not to derail this fun thread, but I have a question:

What team in next year's offseason 1.) have the cap space to sign TT to a max or near max contract 2.) have at least one established star, 3.) that player doesn't play the PF spot and/or 4.) have similar player at C?

I figure that would be a more interesting conversation that stating repeatedly how crazy Rich Paul and TT are.

I thought about the Wizards, but someone pointed out that TT and Gortat are pretty similar in their range. It would be horrible spacing.

There is the Hornets, but they just signed MKG to a long term deal. TT and him at the forward spots would be horrendous spacing as well. Plus they don't have a star player. Them having TT, Walker and MKG signed to big long deals would solidify them as below average team for years, unless they reeeeeallly believe in Kaminsky.

There is the Bucks. Monroe can score a bit, but still would clog the paint and make life tough Parker and Giannis to do anything. Their rim protection would be almost nothing.

Maybe the Pacers. They don't really have anybody in the frontcourt next year. They have George Hill, Paul George, Rodney Stuckey and Monta Ellis taking up most of their cap space.

Orlando seems like a fair landing spot. Vucevic and Frye play outside the paint. They don't really have a start but they have tons of youth.

I don't think Orlando is likely. They don't have a top-tier talent on their roster, and giving Thompson a max would pretty much preclude them from getting one (they'd miss out on 2017s awesome free agent class). A max for Thompson would just guarantee mediocrity for four years. Plus, what position are they grooming Aaron Gordon for? That team is several years away from competing with or without Thompson. Maxing Thompson would just hinder their flexibility.

 

[Tornicade]

Ugh, no, that wasn't the question. Read it again. He asked for teams that have the cap space and a star player that does NOT play the PF spot. Honest to god you should try to be the man's agent. Atlanta is one of the more unrealistic spots for Thompson to land after all the money they just threw at Paul Millsap.

point is theres 4 team out 4 i checked not cherry picked straight out of alphabetical order that could sign Tristan for 20 million.
Milsap, Gasol, Taj Gibson, Harrison Barnes and even the almighty green struggled against Thompson and he was a factor in each series. Including the boston one with klove. Teams will place value on that and if he omes off the bench and provide a simliar level of performance over 20 postseason games teams againwill be bidding for his services.

another point that seems to be lost on everyone. is that these teams can pay Mozgov too so the Cavs will be risking losing not one but two big men if Thompson signs the QO.

then the dominos could start to fall if JR has another good season and get his last shot at a 10+ contract.

I do not believe it will get that far. I feel comfortable that Tristan is gonna sign for 86

but the reports that there are 20 teams in a position to pay tristan and maybbe 4 of them would actually do it. seems pretty reasonable

 

[Paul]

point is theres 4 team out 4 i checked not cherry picked straight out of alphabetical order that could sign Tristan for 20 million.
Milsap, Gasol, Taj Gibson, Harrison Barnes and even the almighty green struggled against Thompson and he was a factor in each series. Including the boston one with klove. Teams will place value on that and if he omes off the bench and provide a simliar level of performance over 20 postseason games teams againwill be bidding for his services.

another point that seems to be lost on everyone. is that these teams can pay Mozgov too so the Cavs will be risking losing not one but two big men if Thompson signs the QO.

then the dominos could start to fall if JR has another good season and get his last shot at a 10+ contract.

I do not believe it will get that far. I feel comfortable that Tristan is gonna sign for 86

but the reports that there are 20 teams in a position to pay tristan and maybbe 4 of them would actually do it. seems pretty reasonable

I agree with most of what you're saying here, but I think the 4 teams would probably only offer TT maybe 12 to 15 mil per season, rather than the 20 or even 25 mil that some media are throwing around. At 12 to 15 mil you can maybe justify a guy who's a marginal starter but very solid as a #3 big, given his favorable age and durability and hustle.

Tristan I think suffers from not being prototypical at either the 4 or the 5, so while he's a very welcome addition off the bench, he's not the sort of player you pay max money for as a starter. He can't rim protect like a 5 should and he doesn't shoot well as a 4 (or a 5), and I don't see either of those things changing, ever. Just about every big salary big man is either a solid shooter or can rim protect, or both.

Now the Cavs may get railroaded into maxing TT, but it will be basically because they feel they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. This is David Griffin's Kobayashi Maru. If the Cavs sign TT between 80-95 mil, it will not be a confirmation of his market value at that price level.

Will other NBA teams feel that same sort of pressure to land TT that the Cavs feel when he's asking for say 18 to 25 mil a season? I just don't see it. He's not a guy who you sign and he changes your team's trajectory. About the only way I could see an NBA team paying big bucks for TT is if they were losing both their starting big men to free agency or injuries or something, and were desperate to fill the void.

But yes, many teams will have cap room and I could see several wanting him for 12 to 15 mil per year. I could see him looking ok to some teams at that price because 12 to 15 mil per year is a lot cheaper than what a max salary would be for a guy like Dwight Howard or Al Horford. Teams looking for a big man who miss out on the top names might grab TT around that level.

 

[Ecmic]

point is theres 4 team out 4 i checked not cherry picked straight out of alphabetical order that could sign Tristan for 20 million.
Milsap, Gasol, Taj Gibson, Harrison Barnes and even the almighty green struggled against Thompson and he was a factor in each series. Including the boston one with klove. Teams will place value on that and if he omes off the bench and provide a simliar level of performance over 20 postseason games teams againwill be bidding for his services.

another point that seems to be lost on everyone. is that these teams can pay Mozgov too so the Cavs will be risking losing not one but two big men if Thompson signs the QO.

then the dominos could start to fall if JR has another good season and get his last shot at a 10+ contract.

I do not believe it will get that far. I feel comfortable that Tristan is gonna sign for 86

but the reports that there are 20 teams in a position to pay tristan and maybbe 4 of them would actually do it. seems pretty reasonable

Just taking a look at the first team on the list - Atlanta - it looks like they'd have to renounce their rights to Horford to max out Thompson.

They have the space to offer a max contract to Thompson - if they're willing to let Horford go for nothing in order to get him.

 

[Tornicade]

Just taking a look at the first team on the list - Atlanta - it looks like they'd have to renounce their rights to Horford to max out Thompson.

So yes, they have the space to offer a max contract to Thompson - if they're willing to let Horford go for nothing in order to get him.

They wouldnt need to renounce him if he signs with another team.

what the chart shows is the Hawks minumum cap space will be 27 Million. going ito free agency. to a maximum of 41 million.

the criteria for the list if i was gonna go through alll 30 teams would be that the min salary cap space be over 20 million.
Milsap has an ETO for 2017.

for the Next season the Hawks have 32 inclusive meaning they will have an oppurtunity to retool their roster.

Chicago, Dallas , Lakers, Portland,Indiana even Memphis (Randolph would be expiring) would be in the running for Horford.

Horford might leave Atlanta to go somewhere he can play power forward.

lets not forget at this point teams will be valuing contracts with 3 of 4 years at 100+ million cap.

so an average salary of 20 million after the tier 1 guys are gone might not look so bad to teams.

BTW atlanta was the first team of a very small sample list because their city starts with A

 

[Ecmic]

They wouldnt need to renounce him if he signs with another team.

what the chart shows is the Hawks minumum cap space will be 27 Million. going ito free agency. to a maximum of 41 million.

the criteria for the list if i was gonna go through alll 30 teams would be that the min salary cap space be over 20 million.
Milsap has an ETO for 2017.

for the Next season the Hawks have 32 inclusive meaning they will have an oppurtunity to retool their roster.

Chicago, Dallas , Lakers, Portland,Indiana even Memphis (Randolph would be expiring) would be in the running for Horford.

Horford might leave Atlanta to go somewhere he can play power forward.

lets not forget at this point teams will be valuing contracts with 3 of 4 years at 100+ million cap.

so an average salary of 20 million after the tier 1 guys are gone might not look so bad to teams.

BTW atlanta was the first team of a very small sample list because their city starts with A

Overarching point was that signing Thompson means Horford is gone, realistically. Question is, would they rather have Thompson at $20 or Horford at $26. Simply looking at possible cap space misses the mark of the OPs question.

Also, didn't Randolph sign a two-year extension last year that kicked in this year?

 

[Tornicade]

Overarching point was that signing Thompson means Horford is gone, realistically. Simply looking at <i>possible</i> cap space isn't very instructive, and misses the mark of the OPs question.

If your speculating scenarios for free agency and the viability of a players appeal to a team then you account for
both slaary and roster.
Ignoring possible roster changes or ignoring a teams chance of losing one of the biggest free agents who has no interest in signing an extension
is not key for proper analysis.

noone expected West to throw away money to go play for the spurs but he did.

If the Cavs, Spurs, and GS continue to dominate the league then teams will need to adjust.

 

[Ecmic]

If your speculating scenarios for free agency and the viability of a players appeal to a team then you account for
both slaary and roster.
Ignoring possible roster changes or ignoring a teams chance of losing one of the biggest free agents who has no interest in signing an extension
is not key for proper analysis.

noone expected West to throw away money to go play for the spurs but he did.

If the Cavs, Spurs, and GS continue to dominate the league then teams will need to adjust.

Agree that speculation needs to account for salary and roster. As far as Atlanta, the question is would Atlanta want Horford at $26 million or Thompson at $20 million? Obviously Horford could just leave, but Atlanta has the trump card in resigning him. Whichever player Atlanta chooses would be spending the majority of time at center. Who fits there better, Horford or Thompson. This is my line of thinking. To the OP's question, I'd say Thompson isn't a good fit in Atlanta, looking at their current situation for next year.

Also, didn't Randolph sign a two-year extension last year that kicked in this year?

 

[Tornicade]

Agree that speculation needs to account for salary and roster. As far as Atlanta, the question is would Atlanta want Horford at $26 million or Thompson at $20 million? Whichever player Atlanta chooses would be spending the majority of time at center. Who fits there better, Horford or Thompson. This is my line of thinking. To the OP's question, I'd say Thompson isn't a good fit in Atlanta, looking at their current situation for next year. And Atlanta is the team most likely to sign Horford next year.

Also, didn't Randolph sign a two-year extension last year that kicked in this year?

okay were talking about next season.
2015-16 season 1
2016-17 season 2.

I dont think you understand how free agency works. Atlanta can offer horford all the money in the world and he can choose to goto another team.

my post wasnt about atlanta anyways it was about teams that could sign Thompson who already have max contract guys on their roster.

I wouldnt put Atlanta number 1 on my likely destinations for Thompson The whole idea was for people to go look for themselves and realize that Tristan will have options after the first 3 or 4 free agents are signed and he has a good shot at getting a 20% contract.

but now everyone knows that Horford will sign with Atlanta just like they were sure Lebron would never leave for miami. They know that next off season all teams will keep their free agents regardless how next season unfolds and every knows that no trade will occur that will have teams looking for a fierce rebounder and and improving defensive force who is 25 years old and is looking to Blosson.
and his main knock is.. oh look he doesnt start ahead of Kevin Love.

something that 25 other current starting power forward be saying if Love was on their team.

there plenty of precedence and Salary history showing big men coming off rookies contract , not starting and fetching that 17-20% salary when the cap shows modest increases let alone massive ones that will transform the league.

i mean to suggest I shouldnt put Atlanta on a partial list of teams with over 20 million min cap space, that could potentially be in a market for another big man should they lose Horford as impossible is just extreme rationaliztion.

tomorrow is not today theres too many scenarios or possibilities of teams losing their free agents to declare no team will have interest in Thompson next season. especially since we havent seen what happens in that season.

Teams may very well project Thompson as a backup for a season and start him the next season after he has had another year to develop. or they may sign him with intentions of trading the guy they have on their roster.

As far as fit.. as Rich pointed out they have splitter. They will still have milsap.

having Thompson on the roster allows them to start splitter and use TT in an AV role.

someone asked for a list and i showed him how to make one.

one thing is for sure. Atlanta's frontourt sure has respect for Tristan Thompson

once again I doubt Thompson signs a QO and accepts a less than max contract.

 

[Paul]

there plenty of precedence and Salary history showing big men coming off rookies contract , not starting and fetching that 17-20% salary when the cap shows modest increases let alone massive ones that will transform the league.

Out of curiosity, who are some examples of players who fit this precedent?

 

[Ecmic]

okay were talking about next season.
2015-16 season 1
2016-17 season 2.

I dont think you understand how free agency works. Atlanta can offer horford all the money in the world and he can choose to goto another team.

my post wasnt about atlanta anyways it was about teams that could sign Thompson who already have max contract guys on their roster.

I wouldnt put Atlanta number 1 on my likely destinations for Thompson The whole idea was for people to go look for themselves and realize that Tristan will have options after the first 3 or 4 free agents are signed and he has a good shot at getting a 20% contract.

but now everyone knows that Horford will sign with Atlanta just like they were sure Lebron would never leave for miami. They know that next off season all teams will keep their free agents regardless how next season unfolds and every knows that no trade will occur that will have teams looking for a fierce rebounder and and improving defensive force who is 25 years old and is looking to Blosson.
and his main knock is.. oh look he doesnt start ahead of Kevin Love.

something that 25 other current starting power forward be saying if Love was on their team.

there plenty of precedence and Salary history showing big men coming off rookies contract , not starting and fetching that 17-20% salary when the cap shows modest increases let alone massive ones that will transform the league.

i mean to suggest I shouldnt put Atlanta on a partial list of teams with over 20 million min cap space, that could potentially be in a market for another big man should they lose Horford as impossible is just extreme rationaliztion.

tomorrow is not today theres too many scenarios or possibilities of teams losing their free agents to declare no team will have interest in Thompson next season. especially since we havent seen what happens in that season.

Teams may very well project Thompson as a backup for a season and start him the next season after he has had another year to develop. or they may sign him with intentions of trading the guy they have on their roster.

As far as fit.. as Rich pointed out they have splitter. They will still have milsap.

having Thompson on the roster allows them to start splitter and use TT in an AV role.

someone asked for a list and i showed him how to make one.

one thing is for sure. Atlanta's frontourt sure has respect for Tristan Thompson

once again I doubt Thompson signs a QO and accepts a less than max contract.

If we look at things in their totality, then there isn't a reason to even look at teams that currently have $20 million in cap space next year. As of right now, there isn't a single team that couldn't find itself with enough space to sign Thompson next summer. I see your point, the difference just lies in how many variables for next year a speculator is willing to pin down right now.

I understand how free agency works. Given two pieces of information - that Horford stated this summer that he would love to stay in Atlanta, and the fact that Atlanta can offer him the most money - until otherwise persuaded I'm willing to make an educated guess that he will stay in Atlanta if they'll have him. You're not, and that's fine. It's speculation - no two assessments are going to look alike. As I said, mine is a guess, but an educated one at least. No need for insults.