Two high school football players intentionally hit ref

[The Oi]

Yeah it is... You can't imagine what that's like...

I've done way worse than tackle someone for the same thing... I'd do it again too..

You call someone a N*****, or whatever it might be and you get what's coming to you.

Does the same apply if someone calls me a cracker?

Or if a black person calls a Muslim a Jihadi Johnny?

Are you claiming that the right societal standard should be that if someone is called a racist name, regardless of consequences, they should be allowed to beat the shit out of the other person because of the way it makes them feel?

I have news for you. I've been called a cracker before and had some random black chick slam the hood of my car as she was passing by for reasons that are still completely unbeknownst to me. She was with what appeared to be a couple friends her age and they all laughed.

If I'd have hit her with my car, she'd have deserved it?

Cops wouldn't have agreed and neither would my wife, who would be without a husband. I'd still be in prison to this day if I had lacked the self control to tell myself she was a fucking loser and brushed it off.

Now, perhaps you'll tell me being called a cracker isn't the same as being called a N*****. So you'd feel different if a stupid white chick did the same.

And I'd say, if we were all allowed to beat the shit out of each other for racist names, we might as well do the same for religion, the word retard, people with genetic deficiences, kids who get called bastards, being called poor, being made fun of for something your parents had done, etc.

It's unjustifiable.

 

[gourimoko]

Does the same apply if someone calls me a cracker?

Yes, of course; why wouldn't it?

Or if a black person calls a Muslim a Jihadi Johnny?

Yes, of course; why wouldn't it?

Are you claiming that the right societal standard should be that if someone is called a racist name, regardless of consequences, they should be allowed to beat the shit out of the other person?

I'm not talking about the law... This isn't criminal justice 101. I'm talking about someone "getting what's coming to them;" please don't conflate that with me arguing about changing the legal system. I am, in no way, making a legal argument.

I'm saying that words can get your ass beat... If you walk up to another man, and get reckless, you shouldn't expect him to simply walk away. Last time I checked, that was generally accepted as fact.

If some guy walked up to you and your wife and started dogging her, you going to tell her about the Constitution?

 

[Otsego Mar]

Yes, of course; why wouldn't it?



Yes, of course; why wouldn't it?




I'm not talking about the law... This isn't criminal justice 101. I'm talking about someone "getting what's coming to them;" please don't conflate that with me arguing about changing the legal system. I am, in no way, making a legal argument.

I'm saying that words can get your ass beat... If you walk up to another man, and get reckless, you shouldn't expect him to simply walk away. Last time I checked, that was generally accepted as fact.

If some guy walked up to you and your wife and started dogging her, you going to tell her about the Constitution?

You're being highly illogical/irrational here gouri.

You are advocating violence based on being unhappy with the spoken word. It's purely ego driven.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Cops wouldn't have agreed and neither would my wife, who would be without a husband. I'd still be in prison to this day if I had lacked the self control to tell myself she was a fucking loser and brushed it off.

It's unjustifiable.

This is what it's all about right here.........

 

[The Oi]

If some guy walked up to you and your wife and started dogging her, you going to tell her about the Constitution?

You used the words "inciting someone to violence" if someone called you a racist name.

I addressed that statement.

 

[gourimoko]

You're highly illogical here gouri.

I'm not being illogical.. Can you demonstrate how my argument is invalid?

You are advocating violence based on being unhappy with the spoken word. It's purely ego driven.

Yes, that's right.. You think I don't realize what I'm saying?

Wtf??

Think about it.. You go to the club with your wife, she's dressed up nice and attracts attention. Some asshole is getting up in her face trying to spit game. You step in, and he gets to dogging you. You, being the passive Jedi, do nothing; but your wife starts dogging him.. He then gets to calling her a bitch, whore, slut, etc etc.. You then explain to her that he has a constitutional right and you guys leave...

Now, if that's how you handle it.. more power to you.. But it's not how I would handle it.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Does the same apply if someone calls me a cracker?

Or if a black person calls a Muslim a Jihadi Johnny?

Are you claiming that the right societal standard should be that if someone is called a racist name, regardless of consequences, they should be allowed to beat the shit out of the other person because of the way it makes them feel?

I have news for you. I've been called a cracker before and had some random black chick slam the hood of my car as she was passing by for reasons that are still completely unbeknownst to me. She was with what appeared to be a couple friends her age and they all laughed.

If I'd have hit her with my car, she'd have deserved it?

Cops wouldn't have agreed and neither would my wife, who would be without a husband. I'd still be in prison to this day if I had lacked the self control to tell myself she was a fucking loser and brushed it off.

Now, perhaps you'll tell me being called a cracker isn't the same as being called a N*****. So you'd feel different if a stupid white chick did the same.

And I'd say, if we were all allowed to beat the shit out of each other for racist names, we might as well do the same for religion, the word retard, people with genetic deficiences, kids who get called bastards, being called poor, being made fun of for something your parents had done, etc.

It's unjustifiable.

Gee, I wonder who you're arguing with....

 

[gourimoko]

You used the words "inciting someone to violence" if someone called you a racist name.

I addressed that statement.

Right..

in·cite
inˈsīt/
verb

1. encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).
   "the offense of inciting racial hatred"
   synonyms:stir up, whip up, encourage, fan the flames of, stoke up, fuel, kindle, ignite,inflame, stimulate, instigate, provoke, excite, arouse, awaken, inspire,engender, trigger, spark off, ferment, foment; Mor
   • urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way.
     "he incited loyal subjects to rebellion"

And you're saying that "incite" is not applicable here, right?

Because say, calling someone a N*****, does not incite them?

 

[gourimoko]

Gee, I wonder who you're arguing with....

I wonder why you give a fuck?

 

[MoFlo]

This also isn't your prototypical situation.

This isn't one man going up to another man and saying something racist, it's a freaking high school football game.. As @macbdog stated, IF he said something racist, the coach should've been told and he would've made sure the guy never reffed another game.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I'm not being illogical.. Can you demonstrate how my argument is invalid?

Invalid is not the same as illogical. It is highly illogical, Spock. Invalid for you? It would appear not......

Yes, that's right.. You think I don't realize what I'm saying?

Wtf??

Think about it.. You go to the club with your wife, she's dressed up nice and attracts attention. Some asshole is getting up in her face trying to spit game. You step in, and he gets to dogging you. You, being the passive Jedi, do nothing; but your wife starts dogging him.. He then gets to calling her a bitch, whore, slut, etc etc.. You then explain to her that he has a constitutional right and you guys leave...

Now, if that's how you handle it.. more power to you.. But it's not how I would handle it.

Yes, that's exactly what I do.....I LEAVE. I take myself out of the equation.....it's very simple.

If someone starts to physically harass my wife and puts her in danger (or anyone for that matter), it's a different story. But, the end goal is removing yourself from the situation. It's the most LOGICAL way to operate.

 

[gourimoko]

I have news for you. I've been called a cracker before and had some random black chick slam the hood of my car as she was passing by for reasons that are still completely unbeknownst to me. She was with what appeared to be a couple friends her age and they all laughed.

If I'd have hit her with my car, she'd have deserved it?

First off, it's a woman, so that's different..

But, how does hitting someone equate to hitting someone with your car?

If you had got out of your car and handled your business then I have no problem with it..

Cops wouldn't have agreed

I don't give a fuck, dunno how many times I have to say this.

and neither would my wife, who would be without a husband. I'd still be in prison to this day if I had lacked the self control to tell myself she was a fucking loser and brushed it off.

Because instead of getting out of the car, you're talking about committing attempted murder.. Dunno why we're even talking about this.

Folks don't go to prison for what I'm talking about.

Now, perhaps you'll tell me being called a cracker isn't the same as being called a N*****. So you'd feel different if a stupid white chick did the same.

No, I didn't say that.. strawman.. Before you edited this post, surely you saw my response that said there's no difference?

Why assume this is what I'd say?

And I'd say, if we were all allowed to beat the shit out of each other for racist names, we might as well do the same for religion, the word retard, people with genetic deficiences, kids who get called bastards, being called poor, being made fun of for something your parents had done, etc.

Yep.. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT IM ONLY TALKING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE?!?

It's unjustifiable.

Sure it's justifiable, I already explained why.

It's not justifiable to you.. And that's your business.. Call me a N***** and I'm fucking you up.

 

[gourimoko]

This also isn't your prototypical situation.

This isn't one man going up to another man and saying something racist, it's a freaking high school football game.. As @macbdog stated, IF he said something racist, the coach should've been told and he would've made sure the guy never reffed another game.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.. guy got what was coming to him....

Sure, things should've went differently, but they didn't. He's no victim.. Fuck him.

 

[The Oi]

Right..

in·cite
inˈsīt/
verb

1. encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).
   "the offense of inciting racial hatred"
   synonyms:stir up, whip up, encourage, fan the flames of, stoke up, fuel, kindle, ignite,inflame, stimulate, instigate, provoke, excite, arouse, awaken, inspire,engender, trigger, spark off, ferment, foment; Mor
   • urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way.
     "he incited loyal subjects to rebellion"

And you're saying that "incite" is not applicable here, right?

Because say, calling someone a N*****, does not incite them?

You've already made it clea that you're not arguing this from a legal or social standard policy, which is enough for me. I thought you were, which would have been asinine.

From a pure individual JUSTICE standpoint, I get it. Circumstance dependent.

Same as I wouldn't feel bad for a pedophile who got shot in the back of the head while he was walking by the kid's parents house. Would it be a good social policy to allow this? No, but it would sure make some people feel better.

 

[el_capitan]

Gouri is getting killed in this thread.