Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO)

[TyGuy]

I think the current War in Ukraine has demonstrated how far drones have advanced.

Many UFO sightings are based on the concept that the agility and Gs being pulled by the craft are impossible for a human pilot to bear.

Of course, drones don't have such limitations.

Moreover, the US keeps its best weapon systems secret until needed, and the best way to fully test their capabilities, under proper near-combat conditions, is to put them against US aircraft under the semi-controlled conditions of time and place within US airspace and the rigidly enforced rules of engagement.

I haven’t been keeping up with the war but the reports from that navy aviator footage of “the pill” is the craft was estimated to be traveling at 3600 mph and capable of turning 90 degrees on a dime without decelerating. I’m sure drone performance has increased exponentially, but they aren’t this performant.

 

[Sebastian]

I haven’t been keeping up with the war but the reports from that navy aviator footage of “the pill” is the craft was estimated to be traveling at 3600 mph and capable of turning 90 degrees on a dime without decelerating. I’m sure drone performance has increased exponentially, but they aren’t this performant.

It is the stuff we don't know about, in the testing phases, that are usually 1-2 generations ahead of serving models.

So whatever we have seen in Ukraine, or over the past five years that has been acknowledged, is a decade behind anything currently in development.

Also, the US has been developing next-gen hypersonic cruise missiles for the past 10 years.

There are many possible military next-gen weapons that are in development that could be construed as UFOs.

Again, the best way to test any classified system is under partially controlled conditions by using the US military as a foil.

 

[macbdog]

Did we ever find out what the other UFOs were that the Air Force shot down back during the Chinese balloon fiasco?

 

[David.]

It is the stuff we don't know about, in the testing phases, that are usually 1-2 generations ahead of serving models.

So whatever we have seen in Ukraine, or over the past five years that has been acknowledged, is a decade behind anything currently in development.

What generation is non human biologic craft operators

Completely aware of the argument of"this is just years beyond what we're familiar with'" , it's been a counter argument for decades, but this isn't that

 

[Sebastian]

What generation is non human biologic craft operators

Without confirmation of who is, or isn't, piloting these things, it is quite difficult to answer that question.

There may not be any pilots, or they may be test dummies. Who knows; it is hard to create a credible answer based off the fleeting, often in less than optimal viewing conditions, observations of pilots trying to make sense of an unusual situation at high speed.

I am not saying UFOs don't exist.

But, Occam's Razor applies.

And there is a long and storied tradition of advanced, game-changing weapon systems being mistaken for UFOs, only to be revealed as the newest US aircraft some 10-15 years down the line from the cluster of sightings.

For example, this occurred with the U-2, SR-71 and especially the F/A-117 Stealth Fighter and B-2 Stealth Bomber.

And it is no longer limited to manned aircraft, but also drones of all kinds, and hypersonic missiles.

 

[Sebastian]

Why do aliens only visit the US? Don't they want to be cultured?


Captured aliens and or space craft on earth falls apart when you realize not every country would care, willing or able to keep a huge secret from the rest of the planet.

Because its the US military behind 99% of cases.

And as I mentioned before, the best possible way to test new, experimental aircraft is under the semi-controlled conditions of using US air space. It provides a safety margin for recovery if knocked out of the air, since it is over US territory, and also, it allows for testing under combat situations, against the best in the world, while strictly controlled by ROE minimizing the chances of the craft being shot down.

The US would not risk testing a new drone or fighter over unfriendly air space.

Moreover, there is reporting bias.

Flights over unclaimed air in the middle of nowhere won't be seen; sightings will naturally be more common in populated areas.

Sightings over authoritarian nations may be suppressed while in the US information moves more freely.

 

[Sebastian]

What generation is non human biologic craft operators

Completely aware of the argument of"this is just years beyond what we're familiar with'" , it's been a counter argument for decades, but this isn't that

I haven't been following this as closely as others.

What am I missing?

 

[David.]

Without confirmation of who is, or isn't, piloting these things, it is quite difficult to answer that question.

There may not be any pilots, or they may be test dummies. Who knows; it is hard to create a credible answer based off the fleeting, often in less than optimal viewing conditions, observations of pilots trying to make sense of an unusual situation at high speed.

I am not saying UFOs don't exist.

But, Occam's Razor applies.

And there is a long and storied tradition of advanced, game-changing weapon systems being mistaken for UFOs, only to be revealed as the newest US aircraft some 10-15 years down the line from the cluster of sightings.

For example, this occurred with the U-2, SR-71 and especially the F/A-117 Stealth Fighter and B-2 Stealth Bomber.

And it is no longer limited to manned aircraft, but also drones of all kinds, and hypersonic missiles.

None of that directly addresses the implication that there are non human pilots of the crafts.

The only counter argument is to think they're full of shit. The guy is not out here being completely intellectually dishonest and prevaricating that there's a plant in a window on board when implying there's non human biologics manning the ships.

And it's not just grusch, grusch is sitting next to people making those claims during the hearings.

 

[David.]

I haven't been following this as closely as others.

What am I missing?

I'll post a couple recaps tomorrow when I haven't been drinking

 

[Sebastian]

I'll post a couple recaps tomorrow when I haven't been drinking

Thanks!

 

[Sebastian]

None of that directly addresses the implication that there are non human pilots of the crafts.

The only counter argument is to think they're full of shit. The guy is not out here being completely intellectually dishonest and prevaricating that there's a plant in a window on board when implying there's non human biologics manning the ships.

And it's not just grusch, grusch is sitting next to people making those claims during the hearings.

He may be intellectually honest, but, he is arguing in favor of something that has thus far never been proven.

So I don't think I am making an accusation that he isn engaging in, or the whole concept is, a logical fallacy.

That being the case, Occam's Razor applies: The likeliest explanation is anything but non-human beings.

I don't think it is unreasonable for me to suggest more likely explanations, or the historical pattern, in the absence of credible, compelling evidence that proves Grusch correct.

Indeed, as you point out, there are many credible individuals, including former flag officers, who support the theory, so I don't dismiss the notion out of hand as a matter of course.

So I am happy to re-evaluate the whole concept when credible evidence is provided.

Edit: My favorite super-natural, UFO or crypto theory are generally the crypto-zoology ones.

Bigfoot and the Rock Apes are my favorite, but also possible survival of extinct species or even the concept of a relict population of earlier hominid.

 

[Zeus69]

Good video from UFO skeptic Mick West.

 

[CleveRocks]

None of that directly addresses the implication that there are non human pilots of the crafts.

The only counter argument is to think they're full of shit. The guy is not out here being completely intellectually dishonest and prevaricating that there's a plant in a window on board when implying there's non human biologics manning the ships.

And it's not just grusch, grusch is sitting next to people making those claims during the hearings.

So we have tested some aircraft using chimps and dogs...

 

[Cavatt]

So we have tested some aircraft using chimps and dogs...

He has no evidence. He hasn't seen it himself. Gonna need more than hearsay

 

[David.]

So we have tested some aircraft using chimps and dogs...

Considering the context, like I said, the dude isn't calling a press conference about a squirrel being on board.

And per the rest of the hearing it's obviously not what he's talking about

The guy isn't just playing games with words he's not doing it for attention, there really isn't a benefit to doing this (no money. Why else, to appease ufo believers?) and he's not got a schizophrenic history or hallucinating in many instances spanning across several years and sharing those hallucinations in some weird simultaneous trip with other people, to nip those in the bud.