What are the Cavs going to do at C?

[Randolphkeys]

If they assumed this lockout will wipe out next season then why not take JV? Also my big complaint about the 2nd round is not they should have kept Harper, it is Honeycutt was there why not take him? he is a good talent.

At first I was with you on the logic behind the first pick, but if the Cavs had TT above JV in talent regardless of next season, well I'm willing to wait and see. On the second rounder, I'd also add that Kyle Singler might be just as good and the same type of player as Omri Casspi. I know it's not cool to cheer for Singler and his Beiber hair, but he has the same measurables and might just be the better shooter. Again, time will tell.

 

[Tornicade]

The logic?
You have a guy who can stand in the paint and contest shots giving a guy like Anderson Varejao the ability to roam the perimeter. Your guards are entirely switchable so who they are matched up with generally becomes a moot point mismatchwise which leaves you forcing your opponet three and center to attack the paint. however you do have a 6'9 small forward who can drop quickly and get physical at the point of attack while your roaming center has enough time to get back home to force the opponent into a lower percentage shot.

Seems like a better defensive team that can shoulder some mismatches.

Teams attacked the perimeter on court lastyear because anderson had to stay home. you couldnt trust hickson or jamison to protect the paint. After Anderson was injured teams attacked the perimeter because once boobie committed to a guy regardless of being picked or screened you had two guys wide open for baskets.

Offensively you got a big guy who will block out and create spacing. a great rebounder and very efficient under the rim. Thompson also is great at drawing fouls and while his percentage is crap now he will be sure to help keep the team in the bonus.

I liked jonas. Think he is a good prospect but I also see enough out of Tristan to believe Thompson is not a WTF pick but a very solid one.

Ultimately teams can double up the big men all they want. that means you have either casspi, gibson or irving wide open.

Thompson fits the personnel and the scheme.

 

[abraxas]

Thompson fits the personnel and the scheme.

This is really what it all boils down to. Gilbert and Grant DO have a plan. They're not panicking, and the draft of TT was not last minute. I'm guessing they loved JV's potential but due to their plan, they went with TT. And I'm guessing their plan revolves around the personnel and scheme they believe will create a solid, flexible and well-balanced roster that is willing to work hard, be coached, and fight. Most good teams have players that take on their coaches' personality and they're doing this here too.

Also, while we debate all this, we need to also consider that there was something about JV they weren't sold on. It could've been his interview. Could've been anything really. This organization knows how much is on the line to get these team in contention again (I mean come on, Gilbert does have a guarantee to fulfill).

 

[Douglar]

If they assumed this lockout will wipe out next season then why not take JV? Also my big complaint about the 2nd round is not they should have kept Harper, it is Honeycutt was there why not take him? he is a good talent.

Drafting Valancuiunas because he's out next season doesn't make a difference if there is no next season other than that he can keep developing his skills in Europe. Valanciunas & Honeycutt & Irving would still add one more name to the list of rookies showing up for the 2012 camp in there is no next season.

But I would have done as an armchair GM, but then I only spend a few minutes a day looking at these things on the internet, not 12 hours a day with a staff of researchers. Still,
As it is, we are left to puzzle over what their plan was. A lot of this would make more sense if we knew what the Cavs plan was to fill the C role for the next 5 years.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Let's not be too quick to write off Erden. I don't think he is our center of the future, but I think he can be solid.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Are the people that are upset with missing on Jonas going to be able to support Tristan? Some of you are forgetting Tristan is one of us now. I'm not saying you need to be happy about the pick. But its time to come to terms with the fact we took TT. Hell, I wouldn't be a Browns fan anymore if I got mad at them everytime they passed on the player I wanted. Give the guy a chance

 

[Jon]

Two drafts worth of players. Frankly, they don't have room for that player taken with this past draft's second round pick in that case.

It's a good point because I think they do have it in the back of their minds (the cancellation of summer league is a factor as well), but I think just like they said they also wanted some roster flexibility to sign free-agents (which includes un-drafted free-agents) and room to make trades as well.

For instance, if we used the TPE, we most likely would have been taking in more players than we sent out.

 

[Douglar]

Let's not be too quick to write off Erden. I don't think he is our center of the future, but I think he can be solid.

He'd be a hell of a find if he turns out to be a viable NBA center, but he's not going to space the floor any better than Varejao, Hollins or Thompson.

 

[Jon]

A lot of this would make more sense if we knew what the Cavs plan was to fill the C role for the next 5 years.

This roster has multiple question marks that a single weak draft was unfortunately no matter how much we tried to hype the players in it - was not going to fill.

 

[cavfanintexas]

Does Valancuiunas fall in the top ten in next years draft?

 

[BuddyCowley]

He'd be a hell of a find if he turns out to be a viable NBA center, but he's not going to space the floor any better than Varejao, Hollins or Thompson.

If Erden can play 15-18 minutes at C/PF, then he's a great find.

 

[wuck]

The funny thing is, that the same guys who I am used to having some spirited debates with, are fighting mad and mods are banning and threatening to ban people left and right for minor offenses that are rooted in criticizing Chris Grant for this past draft and the JJ Hickson trade afterwards.

I dont understand why, in the early stages of a lockout, you want to kill discussion on a controversial decision that may be a major indicator of how the front office plans to rebuild this team.

Rchfld, you would have been gone weeks ago if we were looking to ban posters who were looking to criticize Grant or the Cavs for their decisions. You know that. :chuckles: That hasn't been an issue, and I don't think there's been any systematic attempt to kill off discussion. Just look at the currently active threads in this forum. At the same time, the real problem is that it is going to take a very long time, without basketball, to get some more answers about how these moves work out in the end. It would be different if there were summer league with preseason to follow.

We will do things like push discussions about "look what Jonas did yesterday" to Around the NBA, but that's standard operating procedure.

 

[ChewyOH]

At first I was with you on the logic behind the first pick, but if the Cavs had TT above JV in talent regardless of next season, well I'm willing to wait and see. On the second rounder, I'd also add that Kyle Singler might be just as good and the same type of player as Omri Casspi. I know it's not cool to cheer for Singler and his Beiber hair, but he has the same measurables and might just be the better shooter. Again, time will tell.

Of course, if they had TT in front of JV on there board then i understand the pick(even tho prob could move down to get him). If he was in front of JV I have another complaint(bad ranking).

Two drafts worth of players. Frankly, they don't have room for that player taken with this past draft's second round pick in that case.

Even though we are running out of space on the roster couldn't we have signed a 2nd rounder to the Canton Calvary(yes i love that name)

Are the people that are upset with missing on Jonas going to be able to support Tristan? Some of you are forgetting Tristan is one of us now. I'm not saying you need to be happy about the pick. But its time to come to terms with the fact we took TT. Hell, I wouldn't be a Browns fan anymore if I got mad at them everytime they passed on the player I wanted. Give the guy a chance

I will without a doubt support TT, he is a Cavs, so he gets all of my support. I'm just perplexed by the decision made and wish I had some answers. Its going to be a long long lockout with all these questions

 

[Jon]

Even though we are running out of space on the roster couldn't we have signed a 2nd rounder to the Canton Calvary(yes i love that name)

No. Draftees assigned to the D league still use a roster spot. otoh, Canton is free to sign any undrafted players they want, but the Cavs won't have exclusive rights.

The Cavs have already invested some time in to Eyenga, Harris, Samuels, Gee, Erden, and Tharongody. It wouldn't be a problem to swap some of those guys out, but it makes no sense unless we like the new player significantly more.

 

[Scholar]

Even though we are running out of space on the roster couldn't we have signed a 2nd rounder to the Canton Calvary(yes i love that name)

He would still be on the Cavs 15 man roster. He is simply assigned to play in Canton for a period of time. So, he'd still take up a roster spot.