Who's Gone This Offseason?

[Deezus]

Call me crazy, but I don't think Farmer or Pettine will be gone this offseason. I believe Haslam when he says he really wants to minimize turnover in the organization and show stability. If either were to be gone, I'd bet it was Pettine.

My thought process goes like this: If, like me, you are of the belief that the Manziel pick, mid-game calls down to the sideline, and subsequent suspension of Farmer are a direct result of Jimmy Haslam's meddling, you can't really put Farmer on the chopping block because of it. Plus there was always the talk of Pettine's influence to pick Gilbert as well as the fact that Pettine was hired before Ray Farmer was made GM.

Now don't get me wrong, the early round picks from Farmer's tenure have been borderline catastrophic... but with Haslam trying to show stability and with rumors of his meddling traveling through the news over the last year, I could see Farmer convincing Haslam to give him more time to build and, possibly, bring in his own guy as HC.

 

[Phills14]

If anything I think Farmer should go. He seems to talk a big game but has no backbone.

There is no doubt Pettine wanted a corner, Farmer went along with it. Now I don't know if Farmer had another guy in mind but ultimately it appears he went with the influence in the room.

On the Manziel thing I don't think there is any question he took a back seat to the owner and/or business/marketing people.

On text gate, it is not out of the realm of possibility that he dove on the sword for Haslam.

He talks confidently. He looks confident but when actions are needed, he has taken a step backwards.

I have no inside information and all this is conjecture but I just get the feeling he's in over his head here.

 

[MoFlo]

If anything I think Farmer should go. He seems to talk a big game but has no backbone.

There is no doubt Pettine wanted a corner, Farmer went along with it. Now I don't know if Farmer had another guy in mind but ultimately it appears he went with the influence in the room.

On the Manziel thing I don't think there is any question he took a back seat to the owner and/or business/marketing people.

On text gate, it is not out of the realm of possibility that he dove on the sword for Haslam.

He talks confidently. He looks confident but when actions are needed, he has taken a step backwards.

I have no inside information and all this is conjecture but I just get the feeling he's in over his head here.

With how quick Haslam has canned ppl in his brief tenure here, can you really blame Farmer if he went with Haslam on the Johnny pick or fell on the sword for Haslam with text gate?

I know both Farmer & Pettine have their faults, and I may be in the minority, but I would like to keep both, while bringing Peyton on in a front office role.

Maybe with Peyton here, he can convince his boy Haslam to chill on intervening with the football operations while also giving Haslam a guy he knows he can trust as a go between for him and his GM.

 

[Phills14]

I like Pettine and think he has a chance to be something pretty good as a HC. I used to think that way of Farmer but the more I hear about him the more I see a guy in over his head. I want to like the guy but it's hard when his 4 1st round picks are either underwhelming or can't even get on the field.

 

[CBBI]

My thought process is this.

Either fire them both (probably preferred) or keep them both.

I'm not forcing a new GM to take on a guy he didn't hire, but Farmer hasn't done enough to warrant making his own hire.

 

[Spectre]

My thought process is this.

Either fire them both (probably preferred) or keep them both.

I'm not forcing a new GM to take on a guy he didn't hire, but Farmer hasn't done enough to warrant making his own hire.

I think you have to fire them both. After this mess, what guy can anyone make a legitimate argument for building around? That's what we'd have to do if we kept one. Pettine is the most likely to survive... do we really want to find a guy who we think he'll work well with and will draft according to Pettine's philosophy... then just hope for the best?

Wipe the slate clean and bring in a package deal.

 

[Soda]

Maybe with Peyton here, he can convince his boy Haslam to chill on intervening with the football operations while also giving Haslam a guy he knows he can trust as a go between for him and his GM.

I don't think exactly like you, but I don't think Pettine or Farmer should be let go before the Peyton situation is settled. If Manning comes here and wants to hire his guys right away, that's fine, but let him make that decision. This franchise needs to do everything it can to avoid making Monday morning decisions during the season.

 

[EdMonix11]

I don't think exactly like you, but I don't think Pettine or Farmer should be let go before the Peyton situation is settled. If Manning comes here and wants to hire his guys right away, that's fine, but let him make that decision. This franchise needs to do everything it can to avoid making Monday morning decisions during the season.

Wait, you want the Browns to delay their hiring plans to wait and see if a current NFL QB will retire and run their front office? What the fuck?

Peyton Manning is nowhere near ready to make ANY sort of football decisions. Not anywhere close. It would surely be one of the biggest debacles in football. That's not to say Manning can't be a good executive in time, in fact, I'm sure he'll be great. But shit, even Elway spent a few years as a football operations consultant for the Broncos before being named to an official title, just so he could learn the ins and outs of the operation. It's not a learn as you go position.....

 

[Soda]

Wait, you want the Browns to delay their hiring plans to wait and see if a current NFL QB will retire and run their front office? What the fuck?

Peyton Manning is nowhere near ready to make ANY sort of football decisions. Not anywhere close. It would surely be one of the biggest debacles in football. That's not to say Manning can't be a good executive in time, in fact, I'm sure he'll be great. But shit, even Elway spent a few years as a football operations consultant for the Broncos before being named to an official title, just so he could learn the ins and outs of the operation. It's not a learn as you go position.....

You act as if I'm the only person with this mind-set. Think about what the Owner thinks about. Also, consider that firing people, hiring people, then hiring a guy to oversee those people generally always fails in the NFL. Also, I'm happy for you that you think you're the one person aware of Peyton's ability to step-into a front office.

And, again, I'm not sure what your vitriol is all about with me, but I'm not addressing you again.

 

[EdMonix11]

You act as if I'm the only person with this mind-set. Think about what the Owner thinks about. Also, consider that firing people, hiring people, then hiring a guy to oversee those people generally always fails in the NFL. Also, I'm happy for you that you think you're the one person aware of Peyton's ability to step-into a front office.

And, again, I'm not sure what your vitriol is all about with me, but I'm not addressing you again.

What vitriol? I don't think I have ever directed anything toward you that would be considered out of line or personal in any way, unlike your last post....

My point is, Peyton Manning CANNOT go from being an NFL player to a decision making front office exec overnight. It's just not feasible. Under the best conditions, Peyton comes in with a front office already in place, so he can learn the business and eventually branch out a year or two down the line.
So why would the Browns halt their future plans, as you proposed, just so they can go forward with that terrible plan? Peyton shouldn't be in a position to make any decisions right away.

 

[Soda]

What vitriol? I don't think I have ever directed anything toward you that would be considered out of line or personal in any way, unlike your last post....

My point is, Peyton Manning CANNOT go from being an NFL player to a decision making front office exec overnight. It's just not feasible. Under the best conditions, Peyton comes in with a front office already in place, so he can learn the business and eventually branch out a year or two down the line.
So why would the Browns halt their future plans, as you proposed, just so they can go forward with that terrible plan? Peyton shouldn't be in a position to make any decisions right away.

Please explain, objevtively, how "it's just not feasible". I just fail to see how that is a definitive statement with credibility. I don't know if it's a slam-dunk move, but I reject the notion that it's not feasible.

 

[bornjoke]

Bye bye Johnny = Bye bye Farmer?

 

[Posterchild]

Good night John-Boy. Good night Jim-Bob.
Good night Mikey. Good night Ray-Ray.

 

[DJTJ]

The thing I thought with Peyton is that he'd basically be the perfect puppet for a sucky team.

He wouldn't have to make final decisions on his own.
No one could hate him because of how great he is on the mic.

We could essentially go through a suck ridden rebuild with a young QB, and you'd get a lot of seat-of-their-pants fans saying well, Peyton knows.

 

[brownindian]

Bye bye Johnny = Bye bye Farmer?

It should be good bye and good riddance to both Johnny and Farmer regardless. Pettine ? I am on the fence but if he does not get more involved in the defense then I dont mind getting rid of him too.