Will The Cavs Make a Major Move At The Trade Deadline?

[Kizzle]

You want to stack losses so we can draft high, but then you dont want to do that for consecutive years because eventually your draft picks will hate the team and develop a loser mentality. Also if your draft top 5, top 3 for multiple years then you obvously are failing in your plan anyway.

 

[Kizzle]

People say were following OKC model, but nobody wants to admit that we are much closer to the Sacramento model than OKC. OKC has 3 all stars or close on it right now, we have one...MAYBE. Kings have been drafting high for what? 5 years at least? I dont know but its been a long time. Some people forget its not ONLY about getting young pieces.....ummmm just in case you didnt know.....THE PLAYERS HAVE TO ALSO BE GOOD.

That is a statement I feel ALOT of people overlook in alot of these trade ideas for picks, and trades giving us young players.....Its like they think youth makes them good....uhhh no. I saw somebody say theyd do Varejao for Perry Jones straight up.....I thought to myself is this dude retarded?

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

I just posted in a different thread about what a few on here have just wrote. This is real. This team looks like it's on the brink right now. It looks beaten. Worn. That's what all this losing does to a bunch of guys used to winning their whole lives. No way these guys can gandle another 20+ game losing streak. No way. Not even close.

 

[MirORich]

There is no basis to make your claim at all.

OKC was 3-29 to start of year 2 of their rebuild. Do you think they passed the eyeball test at 3-29? Do you think they looked like a team with 3 all stars on it at 3-29? Do you think they looked like a team that would make the playoffs the very next year?

Harden wasn't even on the team yet, Westbrook looked like a lost rookie, and Durant had the talent but people questioned his defense, leadership, true position, frailty. Green looked overwhelmed(and was eventually traded for Perkins). Ibaka wasn't on the team yet and was a complete unknown. Things were looking BLEAK for OKC in year 2. Sound familiar?

That was all in OKC's year two. The Cavs are in year two of theirs. There is no way to claim they are any closer to the OKC path than the Sacramento path at this time.

People say were following OKC model, but nobody wants to admit that we are much closer to the Sacramento model than OKC. OKC has 3 all stars or close on it right now, we have one...

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

There is no basis to make your claim at all.

OKC was 3-29 to start of year 2 of their rebuild. Do you think they passed the eyeball test at 3-29? Do you think they looked like a team with 3 all stars on it at 3-29? Do you think they looked like a team that would make the playoffs the very next year?

Harden wasn't even on the team yet, Westbrook looked like a lost rookie, and Durant had the talent but people questioned his defense, leadership, true position, frailty. Green looked overwhelmed(and was eventually traded for Perkins). Ibaka wasn't on the team yet and was a complete unknown. Things were looking BLEAK for OKC in year 2. Sound familiar?

That was all in OKC's year two. The Cavs are in year two of theirs. There is no way to claim they are any closer to the OKC path than the Sacramento path at this time.

You left out the part where the FO recognized they did not like the direction the team was headed and fired the Head Coach. Yes, it is reasonable to expect patience, but with that patience there should be signs the team is headed in the right direction. You mention 3-29, and rightfully so. But, you left out they finished 20-30. Not great by any means, but a definite sign that things were moving in the right direction, and it took a major shake up to get it started. I'm not saying BS needs to be fired, but I also think his free pass is heading towards its expiration date and there are certain things that need to start improving more consistantly.

Yes, it may be a little early to definitively lay claim that the team is headed one way or another. But, I think there is definitely cause for concern. There is concern for the "core" players, the coach, the systems, and most of all the FO.

 

[MirORich]

Fair enough, but Scott Brooks started out 2-17 and their record with him in year one was 22-47 without any significant injuries.

The Cavs are where they are with our 3 best players Kyrie, Dion, and Andy all missing significant time.

Additionally, you and more blatantly Kizzle are giving OKC the benefit of that 20-30 finish as a way to say that they were clearly on their way by year two while seemingly assuming that the Cavs will maintain their current pace for the entire season with no improvement due to health, schedule, and improvement of the rookies and second year guys.

No one should be excited at our record and recent play, but the doomsday, "we're on the wrong track", "more like SAC the OKC" stuff is offbase and premature.

It's just funny to see the vast majority of this site ask for/demand a rebuild done this way and then freak out at what the thing they requested looks like from the inside. Have you lost site of the other lottery picks to be added and addition draft picks we have in the next 1-3 drafts? The amount of salary cap room to sign a FA or absorb a large contract? The improvement and development of a core with 5 of our top 7 rotation guys being rookies(Waiters, Zeller), 2nd year(Thompson, Kyrie), or 3rd year(Gee) guys?

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Fair enough, but Scott Brooks started out 2-17 and their record with him in year one was 22-47 without any significant injuries.

The Cavs are where they are with our 3 best players Kyrie, Dion, and Andy all missing significant time.

Additionally, you and more blatantly Kizzle are giving OKC the benefit of that 20-30 finish as a way to say that they were clearly on their way by year two while seemingly assuming that the Cavs will maintain their current pace for the entire season with no improvement due to health, schedule, and improvement of the rookies and second year guys.

No one should be excited at our record and recent play, but the doomsday, "we're on the wrong track", "more like SAC the OKC" stuff is offbase and premature.

It's just funny to see the vast majority of this site ask for/demand a rebuild done this way and then freak out at what the thing they requested looks like from the inside. Have you lost site of the other lottery picks to be added and addition draft picks we have in the next 1-3 drafts? The amount of salary cap room to sign a FA or absorb a large contract? The improvement and development of a core with 5 of our top 7 rotation guys being rookies(Waiters, Zeller), 2nd year(Thompson, Kyrie), or 3rd year(Gee) guys?

No, I'm definitely not assuming they will finish the season the way it has started. There just seems to be a bit of regression of late, so I am a little concerned. But, in no way do I think it's time to abandon ship. I'm just very curious to see how the team responds this next 1/3 of the season.

I haven't lost site of anything we have going into the future(draft picks, cap money, etc). However, I am a little bit concerned that we have all the right pieces in place to get it done(HC, FO, and players all have question marks). Presti, very early on, saw a piece wasn't working right and adjusted to get it back on track. I've heard a lot of excuses for some of our plight so far(and some are definitely justifiable), but I'm not seeing some of the things I was hoping to(and really doesn't have a whole lot to do with W's, either). I started to get turned off during the summer when I heard how they were working with TT on his offense. I'm glad they now have Z helping him more with his post game, but a little disappointed it wasn't done that way in the first place. I was upset at some of the excuses we've been hearing from the HC(in particular, that KI's lack of conditioning was a result of his broken hand.). I'm questioning the implementation of Byron's systems on both O and D. And I'm not sold on the core and its overall development yet. It's still early and their careers are by no means carved in stone yet, but there's only 1 sure fire all-star from those 5 guys you mention, and 4 of them haven't shown definitively that they are even starters on a contender thus far. Again, they could all blossom and that would be great, but it could just as easily never happen. JMHO, but it's really hard to tell which way this is going to go. Not panicking by any means, but I'm also not as optimistic as I was either.

 

[Kizzle]

if this years team cant beat last years team were failing our rebuild plain and simple.......

Make your own call

 

[akhan786]

I saw this on another board and I'm sure it's been talked about before, but could we somehow get OKC's pick (from Toronto Top 3 protected) and another young player (Perry Jones?) for Anderson Varejao?

 

[The Process God]

I saw this on another board and I'm sure it's been talked about before, but could we somehow get OKC's pick (from Toronto Top 3 protected) and another young player (Perry Jones?) for Anderson Varejao?

No, that's actually a new trade that's never been mentioned on this board before. Please tell us more about it.