Yankees vs Phillies WORLD SERIES.. Who you got ?

[Chris]

Funny..:chuckles:

It's not on this video, but the tag on Posada when he patted him on the ass was such a cock bastard move... Funny though...

I saw that too and busted out laughing. It was like telling a child, "Go home, this isn't your game"

 

[Gunther]

Gee, I've never rooted for Pedro Martinez before. New experience.

 

[bob2the2nd]

that strike zone expanded as the game went on. the home plate ump started by squeezing both starters. by the end anything within 6 inches of the plate to the outside of lefty hitters was called. Yankee pitchers benefited. philly pitchers didnt go for it.

im not sure what to think of the first base ump. he screwed up twice on two almost impossible plays but in the end balanced out... im so conflicted

 

[CavsRules]

I didn't really expect the Yankees to go down 0-2 in this series after two home games. This is where the Philly's gotta execute at home and get this series over with in five. Though it seems unlikely to keep that Yankee offense cooled off for three games in a row, it can be done with good pitching.

I believe Lee would pitch Game 5, so that would be the game clincher if they can get the two first home wins.

 

[PIP]

:woot:

 

[MYoung23]

I dont understand the hate for Captain Cheeseburger. He wanted Cleveland to pay him and the broke Dolan brother traded him and CC wound up getting 60M more from the Yankees than anyone else offered. He'd have been a goddamn fool to pass up that much guaranteed money in this economy.

Lee didnt mind being traded, wasnt nearly the teammate CC was in Cleveland but everyone is on his nuts despite him not being in Cleveland either.

Dont get it.

 

[Maximus]

I dont understand the hate for Captain Cheeseburger. He wanted Cleveland to pay him and the broke Dolan brother traded him and CC wound up getting 60M more from the Yankees than anyone else offered. He'd have been a goddamn fool to pass up that much guaranteed money in this economy.

Lee didnt mind being traded, wasnt nearly the teammate CC was in Cleveland but everyone is on his nuts despite him not being in Cleveland either.

Dont get it.

It's just the Yankee factor. For a lot of people, as soon as a player dons the pinstripes, he is part of the evil empire. If CC were dealing for the Phillies and Lee was pitching for the Yankees, everyone would be rooting for CC and ridiculing Lee for his cocky plays.
I dont think anyone faults CC for the money at all. I really have no problem with him whatsoever....other than he is a fucking Yankee. :chuckles:

 

[Damage]

I dont understand the hate for Captain Cheeseburger. He wanted Cleveland to pay him and the broke Dolan brother traded him and CC wound up getting 60M more from the Yankees than anyone else offered. He'd have been a goddamn fool to pass up that much guaranteed money in this economy.

Lee didnt mind being traded, wasnt nearly the teammate CC was in Cleveland but everyone is on his nuts despite him not being in Cleveland either.

Dont get it.

I'm gonna steal from an article to sum up why I dislike CC more than Lee:

*Sabathia was offered extensions commensurate with those signed by other elite starters — Oswalt, Peavy, Zambrano, Halladay, Carpenter — and he wasn't interested.

*Sabathia claimed he loved playing in Cleveland, for the Cleveland fans, within the Indians organization, with his Cleveland teammates. His friends speculated that he wanted to go back home to California. Everybody knew he liked to swing the bat, which suggested an NL destination, and he clearly relished his brief stint in Milwaukee. He made noises more than once about wanting to play with other African-Americans.

*But in the end, he went to the Yankees — far from his home in California, not in the National League. And for all his ample bellyaching, he isn't exactly surrounded by African-American teammates in the Bronx, either.

*Sabathia and his four infielders are paid more than the entire rosters of 22 major league clubs, and Sabathia personally is guaranteed more than twice as much money in his contract than everyone in the entire Indians organization combined. In the end, for all his talk, it wasn't about anything but money.

*Lee's exit was different. He was not in his walk year, and judging from his rebuffed requests to talk extension with the club just a few months ago, he was not determined to reach free agency.

*We'll never know what kind of deal Lee was truly willing to take, of course, but he wanted to talk — and he wanted to do it not just before reaching free agency, but two full years before. That generally means a guy wants to stick around, not hold out for top-dollar.

*That's why, while Sabathia's brilliant run in these playoff games is seen as a knife in the back, Lee's equally dominant run is more bittersweet.

And a quote from Lee (source: http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2009/03/indians_wont_pursue_cliff_lee.html)

"They said they can't do it become of the economy," said Lee, 22-3 last year. "I'd like to spend the rest of my career here. I would have loved to get that out of the way. But I can't force that to happen."

Stolen article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...t=Akp3R6zAyq57TcIJVp0uaTIRvLYF?urn=mlb,198686

 

[The Oi]

If Cliff was TRULY willing to stay- and I doubt he was- then unloading him was a horrible, horrible decision.

Sports is a business and I just don't know that the Indians could count on him wanting to come back after the sub-.500 year they are bound to put up next year.

 

[macbdog]

Eh. Cliff wanted his agent to talk about an extension. It wasn't exactly an ultimatum to get a deal done. The Indians wanted to wait and see. If Cliff was serious about staying, his agent would have been fine with waiting until after this year- but he kind of tied the team's hands by saying he wanted an extension done when he was still under team control for two more years.

I actually agree with the Indians wanting to wait to extend him, too. He had an outstanding year in 08- it was probably a career year. It was also following a 2007 when he was one of the worst starters in all of baseball and found himself having to resurrect his career in the minors. This can't be overlooked, since you usually don't see healthy pitchers having to rebuild themselves at age 28 in AAA. I think the Tribe made a smart decision, especially on the heels of the Hafner fiasco, to be eager to jump at a 3-4 year extension of a guy who would be 32 when the extension kicked in.

And I also think that had all the dominoes not fallen (the economy taking a dump, the Tribe struggling, the attendance remaining crappy) that Lee would still be here and the Tribe would be trying to get his agent to the table. Do I think his agent would have signed a deal this past offseason? I have my doubts. He had good reason to want to talk to the Tribe then; his client is hitting his 30s and probably his last chance for a big contract, he just came off a Cy young season so he has alot of leverage, and he may have a chance to cancel that 2010 option for what is a bargain price. The thing is, there is no way the Indians would be willing to do a market value per year deal (16-18M) for Lee (for CC yes, but not for Lee). Also, with Westbrook on the ledger until after 2010, I don't think the Tribe would have been privvy at all to tear up the affordable '10 option. Frankly I think talks would have gone nowhere, the Tribe knew it and wanted to wait out the situation.

 

[Chris]

I don't get why Lee or CC would want to stay, period, with a team that has no success on the horizon and where they'd be paid less. *shrug* I guess what Im saying is both were as good as gone.

 

[PIP]

2 to go...

 

[macbdog]

Yeah, Yanks in the drivers' seat now in this series. Phillies really needed that game with CC going tonight.

 

[blank964]

I'm just going to say it, Brad Lidge's performance last season was a fluke. Dude chokes in too many big situations. Got to give teams credit but still...got to give A-Rod props he came through big in the clutch again. Yanks got the ship on lock

 

[CavsRules]

Ahh.. Looks like the Yankees are back to buying championships.

Once baseball gets a salary cap, that'll be the day I actually start caring about this sport though.

At least Philly will stop the Yanks from partying on their field with Cliff Lee going in game 5.