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Jim Tressel resigns

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You just proved all of the anti Tressel points with that article. He put all of this out there to build a program that looked like he was doing it the right way. While he may have done great things and taught some kids and put them in situations to improve themselves it was all a front. He has been shown to be as big a cheat as anyone else. What was done by the players in and of itself were not that great of offense. If I had to bet on it I would say that it happens at any Big time college program. He knew if they were turned in that they would be suspended. He also knew that the team had a chance to make a run at the BCS Title game. So he did what any other coach who only cared about winning would do, he lied and covered up. The man who wrote those books and did all those things to build such a well respected program would have not have had one problem handing that over to the proper people and letting them deal with what happened. He had won enough that he could endure a couple down years if it was the result of his wanting to do it the right way. But he showed what he was really about, win at any and all costs. That by itself doesn't make him different from other coaches, what does is that he tried to cover his sins with good charity. It just makes him a Hypocrite and unemployed.

Meh, it's been blown out of proportion more by the media than anything else really....

He gave his players a chance to come clean, when they didn't...he waited out the FBI investigation. Shouldn't have been anything he couldn't recover from, but the media circus and OSU's handling of the situation cost him his job.

And for that....they'll suffer worse.
 
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Meh, it's been blown out of proportion more by the media than anything else really....

He gave his players a chance to come clean, when they didn't...he waited out the FBI investigation. Shouldn't have been anything he couldn't recover from, but the media circus and OSU's handling of the situation cost him his job.

And for that....they'll suffer worse.

Waiting out the FBI is a cop out. He still should have told the compliance office. Then it is out of his hands, then they have to deal with any issues. Giving the players a chance to come clean is bull crap. He knew what he needed to do and didn't do it because he wanted to win. The compliance office would have dealt with the FBI issues. He could have forwarded on the emails he recieved and made them aware of the entire situation instead he covered it up. That is what got him in trouble not the media.
 
Waiting out the FBI is a cop out. He still should have told the compliance office. Then it is out of his hands, then they have to deal with any issues. Giving the players a chance to come clean is bull crap. He knew what he needed to do and didn't do it because he wanted to win. The compliance office would have dealt with the FBI issues. He could have forwarded on the emails he recieved and made them aware of the entire situation instead he covered it up. That is what got him in trouble not the media.

So he should have just taken the two-bit dirty lawyers word for it, and not consulted his players about allegations about them?

I don't know, I'd have probably gone to the players too.....Of course, I also would have gone to compliance, which was his greatest mistake.

But again...not one he should have lost his job over.
 
b00bie, you seem like you have a good grasp on this whole situation .... I'm having trouble reconciling something that happened during the chain of events up to Tressel leaving and I was hoping you might be able to connect the dots for me.

Looking back, when Gee and Smith had the press conference for the vote of confidence with Tressel .... that press conference completely perplexes me on why they had it.

I can only come up with two possibilities

1.) That Gee and Smith took Tressel at his word that only 5 players were involved and had absolutely no idea about the other players and though they could weather the storm.
or
2.) Gee and Smith knew everything by that point, they rolled the dice to see if they could get away with it.

Option #2 doesn't seem like Smith's style (based on his reputation) and I'm not sure he would have the guts to risk his career. For #1, they would have to be so blind for nearly a decade it's really hard to believe.

How do you reconcil this? Is there something I'm missing?

On a side note, I found Tressel's resignation letter odd. No admission of guilt, no appology, from a guy that had to quit as a result of this scandal. Really makes me wonder if he was really the only one who knew what was going on ... I mean if you were the only one that knew wouldn't you include that in the letter?
 
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So he should have just taken the two-bit dirty lawyers word for it, and not consulted his players about allegations about them?

I don't know, I'd have probably gone to the players too.....Of course, I also would have gone to compliance, which was his greatest mistake.

But again...not one he should have lost his job over.

The two bit lawyer was a former player. That makes it a little more relevant. He doesn't have to take any ones word on it. Whether or not it was true doesn't matter. He got something sent to him and all he has to do is pass it on. This takes all responsibility off of him. If you read all the emails he exchanged it is pretty damning evidence that he was covering up. Every coach knows that lying to the NCAA is a death sentence if you get caught. Why do you think USC got a new coach, he knew what was coming. It doesn't matter how petty it is or if it should be that way. Right or wrong the rule is the rule. The NCAA is never wrong and are never made a fool, when you control the rules it is pretty easy to achieve that. Tressel did something that in the eyes of the NCAA is a mortal sin. He knew these things and still did what he did, He deserved to get the ax.
 
The two bit lawyer was a former player. That makes it a little more relevant. He doesn't have to take any ones word on it. Whether or not it was true doesn't matter. He got something sent to him and all he has to do is pass it on. This takes all responsibility off of him. If you read all the emails he exchanged it is pretty damning evidence that he was covering up. Every coach knows that lying to the NCAA is a death sentence if you get caught. Why do you think USC got a new coach, he knew what was coming. It doesn't matter how petty it is or if it should be that way. Right or wrong the rule is the rule. The NCAA is never wrong and are never made a fool, when you control the rules it is pretty easy to achieve that. Tressel did something that in the eyes of the NCAA is a mortal sin. He knew these things and still did what he did, He deserved to get the ax.

How does it make it more relevant? If anything, based on the fact this guy was a well known moron in college it should only strengthen the fact this guy was not to be taken as gospel.

Bullshit that deserves the axe everytime, only the eyes of the hypocritical NCAA rulebook does that even make an ounce of sense. How one mistake can overcome an absolutely brilliant career as an educator.

THAT makes sense to you?
 
b00bie, you seem like you have a good grasp on this whole situation .... I'm having trouble reconciling something that happened during the chain of events up to Tressel leaving and I was hoping you might be able to connect the dots for me.

Looking back, when Gee and Smith had the press conference for the vote of confidence with Tressel .... that press conference completely perplexes me on why they had it.

I can only come up with two possibilities

1.) That Gee and Smith took Tressel at his word that only 5 players were involved and had absolutely no idea about the other players and though they could weather the storm.
or
2.) Gee and Smith knew everything by that point, they rolled the dice to see if they could get away with it.

Option #2 doesn't seem like Smith's style (based on his reputation) and I'm not sure he would have the guts to risk his career. For #1, they would have to be so blind for nearly a decade it's really hard to believe.

How do you reconcil this? Is there something I'm missing?

On a side note, I found Tressel's resignation letter odd. No admission of guilt, no appology, from a guy that had to quit as a result of this scandal. Really makes me wonder if he was really the only one who knew what was going on ... I mean if you were the only one that knew wouldn't you include that in the letter?

I don't see how ANYONE can draw the conclusion that Tressel knew about more than the TWO players Cicero sent him in the emails. And even then, we certainly have to question the legitimacy of Cicero as a person given his history.

The press conference was an absolute horse abortion...

In the end, he was forced out because Smith and Gee want to make this problem ALL about Tressel, saving what little face the university had left in the process.

It won't work, Smith will be out the door very soon IMO when somebody wakes the fuck up and realize Tressel made one mistake...while the university handled this situation like it had never worked a day in PR in their lives.

It's absolutely revolting how poorly this was handled on OSU end, and I've never seen a major program in any sport (college or pro) lose the PR battle so badly as we've seen here.


You would think Tressel and this guy were best buds and had some relationship to hook players up:

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There is Tressel's co-conspirator Ed Rife.....You just KNOW these guys are best buds, the SI article told me as much.




And sorry to go on a bit of a rant, but Ray Isaac came out and went on the record....talking about his days a Youngstown State and Tressel's involvement.

He said...

“Number one, I’m totally responsible for what I did at Youngstown State University. Every year, from the time I was on campus, from ’88 to ’91, Tressel had compliance seminars — not to deal with bookies, not to deal with drugs, not to deal with not buying or selling anything. I knew exactly what I was getting into when I met [booster] Mickey Monus. It is implied that on the first meeting that I had with Mickey Monus that I received $150. That is the biggest lie ever told. … Jim Tressel never ever knew anything about our dealings. I kept it secret. To say Coach Tressel knew about this car, or knew about this money, listen, the only way that anyone knew about the money I received from Youngstown State University was Mickey Monus got indicted on $1.1 million worth of embezzlement and fraud. In documents and public record, they found checks that were written to me. … That’s the only way that this situation came to light. … Other than that, no one in the history of the world would have known the Mickey Monus paid me a dime.”


Boy, thats a different story than Sports Illustrated told....

Hell, you would think Tressel walked up to Monus and said "Lets give this kid some shit"

I won't hold my breath for a retraction from George Dohmann....He's too busy patting himself on the back for writing an article that was already written by ESPN six years ago.
 
How does it make it more relevant? If anything, based on the fact this guy was a well known moron in college it should only strengthen the fact this guy was not to be taken as gospel.

Bullshit that deserves the axe everytime, only the eyes of the hypocritical NCAA rulebook does that even make an ounce of sense. How one mistake can overcome an absolutely brilliant career as an educator.

THAT makes sense to you?

I never said I agreed with the rule but it is the rule. Tressel made millions of dollars each year to coach football does that make sense either. The NCAA is a BILLION dollar business and they do what they believe is in their best interest. Everyone knows it is bullcrap but that is what it is. He knew the rule and he broke it. How relevant the rule is, that is a moot point. I don't agree with the fact that I can only drive 55 and have to wear my seat belt but if I get caught I get a ticket. He knew what would happen if caught.

You have missed my point everytime about the report coming in. When it came in all he had to do was forward the emails to compliance and he is fine. It doesn't matter who made the report, me, you, the lawyer, or the pope. All he needs to do is hit forward and he is safe. I don't care if he doesn't believe it or wants to talk to the kids about it. He could have done those things after he sent it on. If it was untrue then no harm. These things didn't happen and he knew how it would play out if he didn't do it.

All of these things so that he valued winning above all the other things that he preached. A great example of do as I say not as I do. Showed a lot about his character.
 
I never said I agreed with the rule but it is the rule. Tressel made millions of dollars each year to coach football does that make sense either. The NCAA is a BILLION dollar business and they do what they believe is in their best interest. Everyone knows it is bullcrap but that is what it is. He knew the rule and he broke it. How relevant the rule is, that is a moot point. I don't agree with the fact that I can only drive 55 and have to wear my seat belt but if I get caught I get a ticket. He knew what would happen if caught.

You have missed my point everytime about the report coming in. When it came in all he had to do was forward the emails to compliance and he is fine. It doesn't matter who made the report, me, you, the lawyer, or the pope. All he needs to do is hit forward and he is safe. I don't care if he doesn't believe it or wants to talk to the kids about it. He could have done those things after he sent it on. If it was untrue then no harm. These things didn't happen and he knew how it would play out if he didn't do it.

All of these things so that he valued winning above all the other things that he preached. A great example of do as I say not as I do. Showed a lot about his character.

Not sure how I "missed the point"

I've constantly said that he should have forwarded the emails onto compliance....

And I'm telling you that not forwarding an email and this "cover up" should still not result in job loss after a brilliant career.
 
I knew exactly what I was getting into when I met [booster] Mickey Monus

That sticks out to me. By all accounts Tressel introduced them.
 
b00bie said:
I don't see how ANYONE can draw the conclusion that Tressel knew about more than the TWO players Cicero sent him in the emails. And even then, we certainly have to question the legitimacy of Cicero as a person given his history.

And sorry to go on a bit of a rant, but Ray Isaac came out and went on the record....talking about his days a Youngstown State and Tressel's involvement.

So you trust people with questionable background's when it supports your argument(Isaac), but write-off people with questionable backgrounds when it doesn't(Cicero)...got it.
 
So you trust people with questionable background's when it supports your argument(Isaac), but write-off people with questionable backgrounds when it doesn't(Cicero)...got it.

Those two aren't connected to this story in the same way.

Cicero is a third party relaying information. Isaac was the party involved in the situation.
 
Those two aren't connected to this story in the same way.

Cicero is a third party relaying information. Isaac was the party involved in the situation.

Everything Cicero told Tressel has been proven to be true so, I don't see the difference between he and Isaac. Regardless of whether Cicero was or wasn't directly involved, his information was 100% accurate.
 
Those two aren't connected to this story in the same way.

Cicero is a third party relaying information. Isaac was the party involved in the situation.

Whatever. :chuckles:


Bottom line is that everyone in the city knew that Monus was hooking up athletes...EVERYONE! Stop acting like Tressel didn't. There is only one reason for Tress to ask Monus to contact Ray and you know it. So stop being intentionally thick.


But there was a seamy underside to the Penguins' success. In 1988, according to court documents from a jury-tampering trial involving Mickey Monus, a wealthy school trustee and the founder of the Phar-Mor chain of drug stores, Tressel had called Monus about arranging a job for Isaac. The player and the CEO had never met, but Isaac told SI that he had heard of Monus's "philanthropist-type hand" from two basketball players. At his first meeting with Monus, Isaac received $150. According to the court documents, by the time he left Youngstown State, in 1992, Isaac had collected more than $10,000 in cash and checks from Monus and Monus's associates and employees.

In January 1994 the NCAA's director of enforcement sent Cochran an ominous letter. It said that according to an anonymous source, Isaac had been driving a car provided by a local business, which would turn out to be Phar-Mor; 13 Penguins had had jobs with Phar-Mor during the season, in violation of NCAA rules; and nonscholarship student athletes were being illegally paid by the university's director of athletic development.

Over the next month Cochran quizzed football staff members in informal meetings. He believed that if anybody was aware of what was going on in the program, it was Tressel. But Tressel told Cochran that the tipster was just a disgruntled former employee. Given Tressel's sterling reputation, Cochran felt confident relaying a nothing-to-see-here message to the NCAA.

In 1995, Monus was convicted in federal court of 109 felony counts of bank, wire and mail fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and interstate transportation of stolen goods related to his looting of Phar-Mor's corporate coffers. Three years later Monus was on trial for jury tampering in the government's first prosecution of him, which had ended in a hung jury. During this trial (at which Monus was found not guilty) Monus and Isaac, who had pleaded guilty to attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, disclosed their financial dealings while Isaac was a student and alleged that Tressel had set these in motion with that first phone call.

A reporter covering the jury-tampering trial called the school and reported Monus's and Isaac's testimony, prompting an internal investigation. That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.

Today Isaac runs High Impact Football, a quarterback-coaching business in Cary, N.C. He is quick to call Tressel his "surrogate dad." The two were once so close that Tressel invited Isaac to a football camp, even after Isaac had been indicted for jury tampering. They text-messaged psalms back and forth, according to Isaac, who says the coach taught him his most important life lessons. "He never let me take the path of least resistance," Isaac says.

Tressel was aware of the car. At times, Isaac told SI, he asked the coach for help in getting out of traffic tickets. "He'd slot out two hours to meet and say, 'Ray, I need you to read this book and give me 500 words on why it's important to be a good student-athlete,'" Isaac says. Afterward the ticket would sometimes disappear, which, if Tressel intervened, would be an NCAA infraction.

In February 2000, 11 months before Ohio State hired Tressel, Youngstown State acknowledged numerous football violations and announced self-imposed sanctions, including the loss of two scholarships. Because it was satisfied with those steps and its statute of limitations on the violations had run out, the NCAA allowed Youngstown to keep the '91 national title, one of four Tressel won with the Penguins. Cochran, who is now retired, still shakes his head over Tressel's contradictions. There was the Christian who lifted kids out of troubled neighborhoods and built a football "family," Cochran says, and there was the coach who claimed to have been kept in the dark after he had assiduously avoided the light. "What bothered me was that the family knows," Cochran says. "Inside the family everyone knows what's going on."
 

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