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Jim Tressel resigns

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Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said anything about the rest of his career. I just knew you'd use it as a defense. He should be praised for all his accomplishments. All of I've said all along, is that no matter how impressive his resume the NCAA wasn't going to let him off the hook for doing something so stupid....it's automatic. Not saying the NCAA is right, but that's the way they operate when they catch you lying and covering up.




:chuckles: Emailing TP's pimp is a hell of an investigation.




Do you really think there was any doubt whatosever in Tressel's mind that these violations occured...even a few hours after he found out? Let alone 4-5 months? That's absurd. Tress even told Sarniak that he trusted Cicero as "someone that's always looked out for us".


Looks like Tressel did his own investigation, taking this year's rings and holding onto them or whatever he did to try and get them to confess.

He clearly did more than call "TP's 'pimp"...who mind you has never seemed to have done anything wrong despite being labeled as some dirty buscone or something.

He did what was clearly the wrong thing, and tried to get to the bottom of it himself and CLEARLY had intentions of punishing those involved if in fact what he was told was accurate.

What he failed to realize is that in protecting his guys, he opened them and himself up to this....for an otherwise petty violation.

People like to throw all these extremes out there like it was some evil Tressel masterplan gone wrong and I don't even think you believe this guy's intentions were to deceive the NCAA given his track record.

But again, this should not have cost him his job....and the suspension SHOULD have been sufficient in what he did...

Instead, Ohio State lost the PR battle so horribly that Gene Smith ran into the corner like the scared little baby that he is and turned his back on a guy who made this program what it is today.



And to your earlier point, NO, not every coach who got into trouble for this offense should be let go....EVERY SINGLE CASE should be subjective, and you should absolutely take into account the positive track record and history as an educator when making a decision on his JOB.

To not take those things into account and cast if off like all coaches and scenarios are the same would be MORE foolish than what Coach Tressel did.




To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns on Gene Smith....as Tressel clearly is gaining the support of the people as more and more people expose the bullshit railroad job the media has done since the original incident.
 
Looks like Tressel did his own investigation, taking this year's rings and holding onto them or whatever he did to try and get them to confess.

You're just lying now...there's no way you fucking believe that.
 
Are you kidding me?

You think Tressel thought he would get fired if this came to light?.....That's absolutely freaking ridiculous man...I'm sorry, no other way to put it.

Well he probably didn't think that becaue he didn't think there was any problem with ihs star quarterback driving around a 30K car when he had said earlier he had to sell his memorabilia to help out his family.
 
You're just lying now...there's no way you fucking believe that.

Why should I not believe that?

I mean, he clearly stated in the email he was doing his own investigations.

Or do I have to believe THAT is false while copping to the fact that everything else is true regarding the credibility he leant to Cicero?
 
Also, parents of 2 players named in the SI article have come out and strongly denied that their sons did what the article claimed.

Storm Klein

John Simon

The Klein family is pursuing legal action against SI. Why can SI print the word of a convicted felon, and everybody takes it as gospel truth, but when parents say something, noone even listens?
 
Also, parents of 2 players named in the SI article have come out and strongly denied that their sons did what the article claimed.

Storm Klein

John Simon

The Klein family is pursuing legal action against SI. Why can SI print the word of a convicted felon, and everybody takes it as gospel truth, but when parents say something, noone even listens?

Good for them fighting back, will be interesting to see what happens. If they are innocent the should sue. Seeing as how both parents came out in the last 24 hours, it's probably a little premature to say no one will listen. Personally, i'll be very interested to see what happens.

Seriously, what do you think is closer to the truth - that this was an isolated incident for the 5-6 players last spring or that there were a lot of players doing this every year as the story implied? Is there any doubt that it's the latter even if some of the names turn out to be innacurate?
 
The Tressel Die Is Cast, But What O’ The Program?

Posted by Brooks on Apr. 26, 2011, 5:49am

With the NCAA’s now formal recognition of Jim Tressel’s unrepentant - as confirmed by Ohio State AD Gene Smith recently - commission of the governing body’s mortal sin, lying repeatedly to investigators after covering up NCAA violations, Ohio State Jim Tressel football coach has a choice going forward.

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He can resign, retire or be fired.

From refracting the NCAA Notice of Allegations from every possible angle the past 24 hours, that fact is clear enough. What isn’t so straightforward though is what more the NCAA wants from Ohio State. That is, how far it is willing to go to make OSU an example for other programs in the strikingly non-compliant world of college football.

The NCAA may have left a clue though in its interesting decision to include the mystery “Player G” revelation in Friday’s NOA:

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Player G: Sold Big Ten championship ring ($1,500), two “Gold Pants” awards ($250 each), helmet ($150) and pants ($30) from Michigan game and Rose Bowl watch ($250) for $2,430. Received $55 discount on two tattoos. Paid $100 to obtain team autographs on two helmets. Received $2,420 discount on purchase of used vehicle and $800 loan for vehicle repairs. (November 2008 to May 2010).

A former player, Ohio State curiously did not mention “Player G.” in its original tattgate self-report in December, though the player was with the Buckeyes through the 2009 season and confirmed to have committed NCAA violations during his time as an Ohio State football player.

Who is he? While no one officially knows outside the NCAA and OSU, the attorney who allegedly first tipped off Tressel to the NCAA violations committed by DeVier Posey and Terrelle Pryor may have provided the answer.

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In ESPN’s March 13, 2011, Outside The Lines report Columbus lawyer and former Ohio State football player Christopher Cicero told ESPN correspondent John Barr that memorabilia from two former Buckeyes, T.J. Downing and Ray Small, was also found in the possession of now-notorious Columbus tattoo parlor owner Edward Rife.

Per ESPN’s Barr, Cicero noted that fact to Tressel in at least one of the emails in question, though Downing and Small were redacted from the communique by Ohio State officials.

Downing left the Ohio State football program in 2006, but Small played through the 2009 season and currently has several items from his playing career available for purchase online. Some of those items correspond to the “Player G.” description.

Though Cicero identified Downing and Small, he did not expound on at least two other significant claims in his emails to Tressel that indicated there was more to the memorabilia-for-extra-benefits story than Ohio State has reported.

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In one of his emails to Tressel (excerpt above), Cicero described additional Ohio State player-only items Rife owned:

He told me he has about 15 pairs of cleats (with signatures), 4-5 jerseys - all signed by players …

He told me he has about 9 rings Big 10 championship…

[Redacted] National Championship Ring (no surprise here either)


Now compare that to what the NCAA cited in its sanctions against five Ohio State players in December, 2010:
•Mike Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.
•Daniel Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.
•DeVier Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50,
•Terrelle Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.
•Solomon Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.

So where are the “15 pairs of cleats“? The other 3-4 Ohio State jerseys? The other five Big 10 Championship rings? And the National Championship ring?

And …
•What about the Daniel Herron 2009 game-used helmet that was recently sold online? (That wasn’t mentioned in the December, 2010, Ohio State self-report to the NCAA.)

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•What about the 2008 gold pants with the initials “D.W.” most recently seen on the television show Pawn Stars?

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•What about former Buckeye Thaddeus Gibson’s claim to the Ohio State student newspaper THE LANTERN that OSU football players were adequately appraised of the NCAA rules regarding selling player-only football memorabilia - contradicting an earlier claim by school athletic director Gene Smith?

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•What about the other Ohio State player-only merchandise tattoo parlor owner Rife previously displayed on his personal Facebook page that wasn’t included in the school’s self-report to the NCAA?

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•What about former Buckeye Antonio Pittman’s claim that football players selling Ohio State player-only swag for tattoos has been going on since 2001?

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•What about this line in a Cicero email to Tressel:

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“I will try to get these items back that the government wants to keep for themselves. Which is screwed up in an of itself. I know who specifically in the District Attorney’s office that is working on this matter and know both of them well so I will try if the opportunity presents itself.”



If the feds are indeed in possession of Buckeye player-only memorabilia that could further incriminate Ohio State with the NCAA, shouldn’t those items be promptly turned over to the NCAA?

•Finally, what about the the current and former Ohio State football players previously listed as “friends” on Rife’s personal Facebook page?

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On the latter, the NCAA will require Ohio State to detail all relationships between Rife and Buckeye football players - past and present, per this passage from Friday’s NOA:

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Though the NCAA has yet to charge Ohio State with the dreaded “failure of institutional control” or “failure to monitor” penalties, if the governing body wasn’t going to continue to plumb the depths of what might be additional, significant Ohio State impropriety, why did the NCAA cite the “Player G.” violations in the Notice of Allegations?

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With Tressel’s web of deception sufficiently confessed, it appears the future of the Ohio State football program as a near-term, viable enterprise is more tied to the NCAA’s discovery of a “Player H.” or a “Player I.” than its current coach’s assured demise.
 
Good for them fighting back, will be interesting to see what happens. If they are innocent the should sue. Seeing as how both parents came out in the last 24 hours, it's probably a little premature to say no one will listen. Personally, i'll be very interested to see what happens.

Seriously, what do you think is closer to the truth - that this was an isolated incident for the 5-6 players last spring or that there were a lot of players doing this every year as the story implied? Is there any doubt that it's the latter even if some of the names turn out to be innacurate?

I have little doubt that Tressel had knowledge that a system circumventing strict rules of amateur athletics existed. Here's my problem with how it will play out: almost every major college program does the very same thing. Not all of the top prospects in basketball and football take illegal fringe benefits, but many do, all over the country. This is just a badly kept secret, and has been for decades. The people around the program just did a terrible job of hiding it.
 
I have little doubt that Tressel had knowledge that a system circumventing strict rules of amateur athletics existed. Here's my problem with how it will play out: almost every major college program does the very same thing. Not all of the top prospects in basketball and football take illegal fringe benefits, but many do, all over the country. This is just a badly kept secret, and has been for decades. The people around the program just did a terrible job of hiding it.

Agree 100%.

I just have a problem with my fellow Buckeye fans lying to themselves saying that he was still investigating it or wasn't sure if violations had been committed when he signed the complaince letter. He knew 100% within 24 hours of Cicero's emails, conversations with Sarniak and Pryor that violations occurred. 5 months later he rolled the dice and told the NCAA there were no violations. He got caught and no longer has his job because he got greedy and got caught.

If people want to argue that some of the rules are stupid and everyone is doing it, fine, I dont disagree. What Tressel did was extremely stupid and pretty much guarantees you will be out of a job. I'm disappointed in him and pissed...that's all.
 
Good for them fighting back, will be interesting to see what happens. If they are innocent the should sue. Seeing as how both parents came out in the last 24 hours, it's probably a little premature to say no one will listen. Personally, i'll be very interested to see what happens.

Seriously, what do you think is closer to the truth - that this was an isolated incident for the 5-6 players last spring or that there were a lot of players doing this every year as the story implied? Is there any doubt that it's the latter even if some of the names turn out to be innacurate?

The notice of allegations said as much.

The initials reports about Thad Gibson's car and Terrelle Pryor's were wildy inaccurate or misleading as well. There's reporting the facts, there's digging around, and there is just publishing negative stuff for the hell of it. The media has moved to stage 3.
 
I didn't want to start a new thread. But, I am curious to what others such as Max and Doug think should be an appropriate penalty for the OSU program. Should it be more harsh than USC? Should Gee and Smith be gone? I agree that Tressel's refusal to divulge what he knew deserved to get him out of his job.

However, as an admittedly biased OSU alum, I think that this SI article was disturbing. Maybe all of what was written was true and maybe it wasn't. But, I think it was irresponsible of SI to pile on like that without more than unnamed sources and the words of felons with axes to grind.

I'm thinking that OSU should have to vacate the 2010 season for sure. I was also thinking that they should have scholarship reductions as well for a 2-3 years (around 5-10 per year). As for the bowl ban, the NCAA will probably have to make it 1 or 2 years. That's a pretty steep punishment if you ask me. With some of the talk I'm reading on other football fan's message boards, nothing short of 3-5 year bowl ban, scholarship reductions, no TV, will satisfy them. There is a blood thirsty element out there.
 
I didn't want to start a new thread. But, I am curious to what others such as Max and Doug think should be an appropriate penalty for the OSU program. Should it be more harsh than USC? Should Gee and Smith be gone? I agree that Tressel's refusal to divulge what he knew deserved to get him out of his job.

However, as an admittedly biased OSU alum, I think that this SI article was disturbing. Maybe all of what was written was true and maybe it wasn't. But, I think it was irresponsible of SI to pile on like that without more than unnamed sources and the words of felons with axes to grind.

I'm thinking that OSU should have to vacate the 2010 season for sure. I was also thinking that they should have scholarship reductions as well for a 2-3 years (around 5-10 per year). As for the bowl ban, the NCAA will probably have to make it 1 or 2 years. That's a pretty steep punishment if you ask me. With some of the talk I'm reading on other football fan's message boards, nothing short of 3-5 year bowl ban, scholarship reductions, no TV, will satisfy them. There is a blood thirsty element out there.

I think the USC penalties serve as a good basis for what OSU should receive. While I know they are different violations, they seem on par with eachother, ie turning the other cheek while obvious benifits where received. With tressel gone, the lying to the NCAA should be pretty much a non factor, although they may penalize for OSU sticking by Tressell as long as they did.

I hate how over blown this is getting. I was the first to scream this isnt minor and wont go away quickly, but now it has gone the other extreme with things like the SI article. Remember, it was the NCAA that allowed the furious 5 to play in the bowl game. The hypocracy stinks. Money is only allowed to rule when its convenient for the NCAA, when its for the players, they get suspended and coaches get fired. Oh well, its not like this is anything new.
 
I think the USC penalties serve as a good basis for what OSU should receive. While I know they are different violations, they seem on par with eachother, ie turning the other cheek while obvious benifits where received. With tressel gone, the lying to the NCAA should be pretty much a non factor, although they may penalize for OSU sticking by Tressell as long as they did.

I hate how over blown this is getting. I was the first to scream this isnt minor and wont go away quickly, but now it has gone the other extreme with things like the SI article. Remember, it was the NCAA that allowed the furious 5 to play in the bowl game. The hypocracy stinks. Money is only allowed to rule when its convenient for the NCAA, when its for the players, they get suspended and coaches get fired. Oh well, its not like this is anything new.

Lots of people seem to believe USC should be the basis for OSU's punishment.

They just can't give any credible reasons why....

As evidenced by this thread:

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?37016-USC-Public-Infractions-Report
 
Lots of people seem to believe USC should be the basis for OSU's punishment.

They just can't give any credible reasons why....

As evidenced by this thread:

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?37016-USC-Public-Infractions-Report

They seem to be on simular levels. This isnt about what programs are doing this, its about the fact that USC and OSU got caught. Heisman hopeful at USC's mom rents a house way below market, Heisman hopeful at OSU receives below market cars and free tatoo's. Difference being that the OSU players are still in school to be punished while the USC players werent discovered until they were in the NFL. The fact they can actually punish the players who committed the offense is one major difference. Maybe the furious 5 just lose their college eligibility all together, OSU gets one year no bowls and loses 20 scholarships over the next 2 years. The one year less because the NCAA actually gets to hammer the offending student athlete.
 
They seem to be on simular levels. This isnt about what programs are doing this, its about the fact that USC and OSU got caught. Heisman hopeful at USC's mom rents a house way below market, Heisman hopeful at OSU receives below market cars and free tatoo's. Difference being that the OSU players are still in school to be punished while the USC players werent discovered until they were in the NFL. The fact they can actually punish the players who committed the offense is one major difference. Maybe the furious 5 just lose their college eligibility all together, OSU gets one year no bowls and loses 20 scholarships over the next 2 years. The one year less because the NCAA actually gets to hammer the offending student athlete.

Doesn't appear that anything has come of the "cheap car" talk...as most have been cleared already with the exception of one player for the Buckeyes (Take a wild guess).

Of course, the fact is that USC did this on a MUCH larger scale than Ohio State....

Also, USC was hit with LOIC penalty....something that doesn't appear to be in the cards with Ohio State unless more allegations come to light.

Thus, to say OSU is going to get 'USC'd" has no basis at this point...none whatsoever.
 

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