2013 Cleveland Browns

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> Chud acknowledged that Weeden can take a little heat off the fastball.... Weeds has always gotten a little too amped.</p>&mdash; Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/statuses/377102252130852864">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Chud on Weeden's short or long leash: &quot;I don't look it as a leash.&quot;</p>&mdash; Steve Doerschuk (@sdoerschukREP) <a href="https://twitter.com/sdoerschukREP/statuses/377102184380628992">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> HC Chud said we'll keep giving RG Lauvao (high ankle sprain) treatment and see how he is Wednesday.</p>&mdash; Nate Ulrich (@NateUlrichABJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/statuses/377102159289913344">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> HC Chud said we'll how OLB Mingo (bruised lung) is on Wed. As soon as doctors clear him, we'll get him out there.</p>&mdash; Nate Ulrich (@NateUlrichABJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/statuses/377102968744452097">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Chud: “This is a new time and it’s a new team. Everything else is just noise out there.”</p>&mdash; Steve Doerschuk (@sdoerschukREP) <a href="https://twitter.com/sdoerschukREP/statuses/377102861861408768">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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RappSoda said:

Redskins: Got a potential hall of fame coach and won the RG3 sweepstakes. They didn't tear down, or need to tear down, what was already there.
Colts: Andrew Luck. I'm not sure how you can blame the Browns for not getting him. You get a stud QB, you're set. Most important position in sports.
Seahawks: Personally, I put this on getting lucky. Something clicked there with Russell Wilson and thats pretty much it. Don't know why the Browns can't make this happen, all things being equal. Maybe some Adderall.
Falcons: They haven't been all up, but getting Matt Ryan at, I think, four and signing Turner was huge there. They were a team that got screwed by having Vick taken away,.but they only had one real season of turmoil there. That's more of a re-fresh than a re-build.
49ers: I think they were fortunate to get a coach who was already living there and wanted to be the 49ers coach. That one has coaching written all over it. Make no mistake, though, they had a solid team there percolating. Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Joe Staley and Vernon Davis were already there and then they drafted Aldon Smith. Tell me there isn't some fortunate rolls of the dice there and I'm not sure what to tell you.

I'm not excusing the Browns' play, for the record. I'm pissed and it is shitty to have to deal with this year in and year out. I just have the ability to understand that it generally takes a shot in the arm for a team to make the jump. It usually doesn't just happen out of the blue, a year after a new owner bought the team and hired new personnel.

Also, the Browns are 0-1.

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Yeah, the Seahawks did a bit more than get Russell Wilson. Their defense is absolutely fantastic, led by a plethora of Pro Bowl caliber players like Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Brandon Mebane, Red Bryant, Bobby Wagner, ect.

The Falcons had two winning seasons from 1999-2007, they did more than add Matt Ryan and have built a defense worthy of competing late into January.

The 49ers are just simply better at drafting than most teams and combine that with excellent coaching. They have by far the best offensive line in football and give guys like Kaepernick a chance to develop despite being somewhat raw and untapped upon his arrival into the league.

Anel Hershiser said:

Rapp...

Explain the Washington Redskins, Indianapolis Colts, Seattle Seahawks, Atlanta Falcons, San Francisco 49ers. Those are all teams that within the last few years went from garbage to an immediate turn-around.

Tell me what's stopped the Browns from being able to do what each of those teams has done.

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Browns 5 non winning seasons in a row
49ers- 8 non winning seasons in a row
Colts had one bad season Which some believe was a tank job. winning 10 or more games 11 out of ten season isnt necessarily a "turnaround"
Seahawks - 4 losing seasons in a row. that progressed with almost 500 records before their jump
Atlanta has had five straight winning seasons. Their franchise is stocked.. a bad season from atlanta typically means someone key guys were hurt or people were underperforming. not similiar to the browns situations at all.


so of those teams you mentioned only one of the teams had actually been consistently bad for a period of time. Im not including the Redskins because that organization is hit or miss every year depending on how many overpaid free agents they bring in who are over the hill

Browns are tied for first in their division. I dont understand the panic

Why do people keep mentioning being tied for first in the division? Is 5 games going to be enough to take the AFC North this year?

And people aren't overracting to the first game. Its hilarious because every year we drop the opener. People see what a shit product the Browns are and a few people scream OVERREACTION! But almost every year, its not an overreaction. The first game is indicative of the season, and it is beyond easy to see why. First off and most important, quarterback play. You aren't going to win shit in the NFL with one of the worst starting qbs in the league. I'm trying to give the front office credit in thinking that they realized this and decided to tank the season. But other reasons the Browns suck every year: lack of pro bowl talent on the roster, little to no depth, and below average coaching. All of these are problems again this year with the possible exception of coaching (need more time to determine that one). The Browns have shitty talent yet again. It was easy to see in the dress rehearsal against the Colts and it was easy to see week 1. It will be easy to see as the year progresses.

Anel Hershiser said:

Doubt it.

You've got literally nobody on board with Weeden and it's one game in. He'll improve this year, but it will be minimal and it certainly won't be enough to justify giving a 30 year old man 2-3 more seasons to develop. Weeden always needed to be ready made or he was a bad pick. It's become clear that he was a bad pick and I think we can all acknowledge it.

Highly doubt, after watching the guaranteed success Luck, RGIII and Kaepernick will have, you'd see anybody wanting anything other than to sell the farm to get Bridgewater. That is, assuming, Bridgewater is as highly touted as he is currently.

If it turns out Bridgewater is the guy, then I see no other option than to lose as many games as possible. I do not want to see another 5-11 year from 30 year old Weeden who will likely be reaching his ceiling this season or next. Just lose the games and let's get the one thing the Browns haven't had a single time in about 20+ tries: an NFL level Quarterback.

It remains unreal that no regime has been able to pull this off.

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Be realistic. The Browns are going to win at least 5 games this season. No one is going to out suck the Jags... And nobody will be able to pry that pick from them. Bridgewater will be the first pick. We will be in play for the second or third best QB prospect - and that will likely be our target.

AZ_ said:

Yeah, the Seahawks did a bit more than get Russell Wilson. Their defense is absolutely fantastic, led by a plethora of Pro Bowl caliber players like Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Brandon Mebane, Red Bryant, Bobby Wagner, ect.

The Falcons had two winning seasons from 1999-2007, they did more than add Matt Ryan and have built a defense worthy of competing late into January.

The 49ers are just simply better at drafting than most teams and combine that with excellent coaching. They have by far the best offensive line in football and give guys like Kaepernick a chance to develop despite being somewhat raw and untapped upon his arrival into the league.

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He didn't ask me why they are good. He asked why they turned around so quickly from the previous season.

Tornicade said:

Im not including the Redskins because that organization is hit or miss every year depending on how many overpaid free agents they bring in who are over the hill

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This quote sounds exactly like what people around here want the Browns to do. If the Redskins didn't get RG3 (I don't want to hear blame directed at the current organization regarding this), they'd still be in that situation. And they didn't even have owner or front office turnover.

RappSoda said:

This quote sounds exactly like what people around here want the Browns to do. If the Redskins didn't get RG3 (I don't want to hear blame directed at the current organization regarding this), they'd still be in that situation. And they didn't even have owner or front office turnover.

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You guys can say what you want about the Redskins - "They're a playoff team, they're this, they're that." At the end of the day, in my honest opinion, that team is not built the right way and will be stuck between playoff contender and first round-out for years. They have no first rounders for the next 40 years, no cap room, and talent good enough to make the playoffs.

They will go as far as RGIII takes them.

I would prefer to build this team the right way and I feel we've been on that track.

Tornicade said:

Atlanta has had five straight winning seasons. Their franchise is stocked.. a bad season from atlanta typically means someone key guys were hurt or people were underperforming. not similiar to the browns situations at all.

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Please tell me you just had a brain fart here. I'm not talking about the Falcons this year versus last. I'm talking about when they drafted a legitimate NFL QB.

Tornicade said:

so of those teams you mentioned only one of the teams had actually been consistently bad for a period of time. Im not including the Redskins because that organization is hit or miss every year depending on how many overpaid free agents they bring in who are over the hill

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Four years is consistently bad. Four years is long enough for two regimes to go in and out of Cleveland. You're not including the Redskins because of their FA's? Well, I AM including the Redskins and it's because they managed to draft a QB that turned them around.

Tornicade said:

Browns are tied for first in their division. I dont understand the panic

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You'll start to see it when they're 0-3 and you'll DEFINITELY see it when they're 2-10.


And guys...IDGAF about signing FA's. At no point did I or would I say that FA's are the key to being a good team. The key to being a good team is having an elite QB and/or having an elite defense with at LEAST a good QB.

The Browns might have a decent defense and they definitely DO NOT have a good QB.

And guys...

I'm not "panicking." I'm just telling you what's absolutely, without question, going to happen this year as a result of not having a good QB and the sheer amount of miscues taking place from guys who have no excuse not to make them. It's as easy to predict as Tornicade forgetting to use a period.

I agree with whoever said it above...Jags are going to be unbeatable in the tank game. Unfortunately we're going to have to start looking at the QBs besides Teddy. For the record I completely buy all the Bridgewater hype. Dude is going to be elite.

Do you like Tajh Boyd? He doesn't have a great shot at becoming a franchise QB as far as I'm concerned...and I doubt we even out-suck Oakland for the chance to snag him.

And sorry I want nothing to do with Aaron Murray or AJ McCarron. Bleh.

Johnny Football?

I really hope week 1 was a fluke and we see a completely different squad against the Ravens. Otherwise we're fucked again.

chrisrich91 said:

I agree with whoever said it above...Jags are going to be unbeatable in the tank game. Unfortunately we're going to have to start looking at the QBs besides Teddy. For the record I completely buy all the Bridgewater hype. Dude is going to be elite.

Do you like Tajh Boyd? He's not a franchise QB as far as I'm concerned...and I doubt we even out-suck Oakland for the chance to snag him.

And sorry I want nothing to do with Aaron Murray or AJ McCarron. Bleh.

Johnny Football?

I really hope week 1 was a fluke and we see a completely different squad against the Ravens. Otherwise we're fucked again.

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You know Terrelle Pyror actually looked pretty damn exciting week 1?

RealKingofCleve said:

You know Terrelle Pyror actually looked pretty damn exciting week 1?

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Yeah I know...and I also know better than to actually think he's going to be a successful NFL QB. :chuckles:

They'll be looking for a QB in this draft once teams decide to contain the crap out of Pryor and let him throw picks galore.

chrisrich91 said:

Yeah I know...and I also know better than to actually think he's going to be a successful NFL QB. :chuckles:

They'll be looking for a QB in this draft once teams decide to contain the crap out of Pryor and let him throw picks galore.

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We'll see about that. Terrelle Pyror has every physical tool needed to be a successful NFL qb. His pocket presence actually looked really solid from what I saw.

some PFF grades (posted by Will Burge on twitter):

-Mitchell Schwartz received the lowest grade out of 49 tackles in week 1 of the NFL. Joe Thomas had the 10th best grade

-Chudzinski said he thought Oniel Cousins' pass protection was OK. @PFF dissagrees giving him the 3rd lowest guard rating in the NFL week 1

-Overall @PFF gave the #Browns the worst pass blocking grade in the NFL week 1. They did have the second best run defense grade, however

-Brandon Weeden was graded 22nd out of 24 QBs in week 1. Greg Little was graded 69th out 70 WRs in week 1.

-Jordan Cameron graded 3rd out of 31 TEs in pass catching week 1

-Jabaal Sheard graded 10th in the NFL and Paul Kruger graded 14th. Desmond Byant was 2nd at DE in NFL & John Hughes was graded 5th

-Chris Owens was grade 65th out of 69 CBs and Buster Skrine was 59th. TJ Ward graded 11th & Gipson 23rd at S

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How in the hell were there 2 other OG's that had worse days than Cousins? I honestly don't even know how that is possible.

TheLand1287 said:

How in the hell were there 2 other OG's that had worse days than Cousins? I honestly don't even know how that is possible.

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The high amount of dropbacks skewing the number probably factors in.