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2019 FA and Offseason Mega Thread

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rastamon87 said:
One less candidate for a shirtless JR salary dump trade... Looking more likely that he just gets waived with 500k extra in his pocket...
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I wouldn't be surprised if JRs contract is still in play for OKC but in some sort of 3 way deal or for them to flip on to another team. It would be very like Presti to use the pretext that they are dumping the team and trading away Westbrook to sniff out trades to reshape the team into a contender again. If Denver thought OKC was a threat to contend, I don't think they do this deal.

It's alot easier to sell off pieces when teams think you are going into the tank. It much harder if they think you want to be a contender.
 
inliner311 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if JRs contract is still in play for OKC but in some sort of 3 way deal or for them to flip on to another team. It would be very like Presti to use the pretext that they are dumping the team and trading away Westbrook to sniff out trades to reshape the team into a contender again. If Denver thought OKC was a threat to contend, I don't think they do this deal.

It's alot easier to sell off pieces when teams think you are going into the tank. It much harder if they think you want to be a contender.
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They literally can't make a better team then last year. They lost a top 10 player in Paul George. They lost one of their most versatile defenders in Grant. He's clearly blowing it up. He realized you can't win with Westbrook so he's starting over.
 
NMCav said:
They literally can't make a better team then last year. They lost a top 10 player in Paul George. They lost one of their most versatile defenders in Grant. He's clearly blowing it up. He realized you can't win with Westbrook so he's starting over.
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Even if Presti goes and get Kevin Love and Reggie Jackson to add to Westbrook and Gallo, I think that's a better overall team than what they had last year. They didn't have enough scoring last year. They give up alot of defense but I don't think that team loses in the first round. Presti now has a ton of assets to make other moves too. Also now they have two trade exception around 9 million each.
 
inliner311 said:
Even if Presti goes and get Kevin Love and Reggie Jackson to add to Westbrook and Gallo, I think that's a better overall team than what they had last year. They didn't have enough scoring last year. They give up alot of defense but I don't think that team loses in the first round. Presti now has a ton of assets to make other moves too. Also now they have two trade exception around 9 million each.
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Reggie Jackson is worse then Schroder. Also doesn't make them better. KLove is nice if they keep Adams. But it isn't going to be any better then it was last year. OKC blowing it up and they are blowing it up right.
 
Westbrook makes like $45 million on average or something for the rest of his contract. They’re really going to have to pray that Miami is desperate for a second “star” and is willing to dump some guys for Westbrook because no real contender is going to want him and no tanking team is going to want his contract.
 
Bulldog2Buckeye said:
Westbrook makes like $45 million on average or something for the rest of his contract. They’re really going to have to pray that Miami is desperate for a second “star” and is willing to dump some guys for Westbrook because no real contender is going to want him and no tanking team is going to want his contract.
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It will be hard for them to justify dumping Westbrook for what they probably can get for him. That why I think they build around him and keep the real good assets for a future rebuild when Westbrook's contract is up or the late stages of his contract. If they can be pretty good for the next 3 years then Westbrook's contract is an expiring and they can set up the rest of their contracts around that.

Love fits into that timeline. I picked Reggie Jackson out of the air because I couldn't think of anyone else that would be available for cheap and he has a history of playing well with Westbrook. Someone better might be out there. They already have Gallo.

I think OKC is the smallest NBA market and have a owner that isn't super rich by NBA standards. That isn't a good pairing for a bad team and I think Presti knows that. Tanking isn't for every team, owner, or fanbase.
 
NMCav said:
Its 2019 who cares about defense? Sexton and Garland are longer then both FVV and Kyle Lowry who closed out the NBA championship.
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Against an extremely compromised GSW, for what it’s worth. And with an all-time level defender on the wing. I haven’t looked at the advanced stats so I can’t speak to their individual performances. Can you provide evidence in their favor?

NMCav said:
If Sexton and Garland outscore the other teams guards and we get them two plus defensive forwards and a anchor at center you can cover up their lack of defense.
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About outscoring the other teams’ guards...didn’t the stats show that Sexton hemorrhaged more points on defense than any other NBA player last year? I anticipate our tiny new PG will have similar issues. Obviously that will improve and, as you said, help defense contributes to that. But On that note, it’s not exactly easy to find 2 plus defensive forwards and an anchor inside. Presumably we Need those guys to score for us to be any good. So we really need three more competent defenders, at least 2 of which need to be good scorers. Don’t exactly grow on trees.

I really have no point to this post. We’re gonna be bad and I’m not worried about fit right this moment. Once we have enough NBA grade talent to worry about fit and contending, we will know much more about the kids we do have. But I highly doubt it’s Sexton/Garland when things hit critical mass. Which means we need to get surplus value for one of them, when push comes to shove. Time will tell if that happens.

Guys like Cedi and Nance would benefit from being properly slotted in 8-9-10 roles rather than starting. But I think all the playing time right now is great for their development
 
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Alec Zander said:
Against an extremely compromised GSW, for what it’s worth. And with an all-time level defender on the wing. I haven’t looked at the advanced stats so I can’t speak to their individual performances. Can you provide evidence in their favor?


About outscoring the other teams’ guards...didn’t the stats show that Sexton hemorrhaged more points on defense than any other NBA player last year? I anticipate our tiny new PG will have similar issues. Obviously that will improve and, as you said, help defense contributes to that. But On that note, it’s not exactly easy to find 2 plus defensive forwards and an anchor inside. Presumably we Need those guys to score for us to be any good. So we really need three more competent defenders, at least 2 of which need to be good scorers. Don’t exactly grow on trees.

I really have no point to this post. We’re gonna be bad and I’m not worried about fit right this moment. Once we have enough NBA grade talent to worry about fit and contending, we will know much more about the kids we do have. But I highly doubt it’s Sexton/Garland when things hit critical mass. Which means we need to get surplus value for one of them, when push comes to shove. Time will tell if that happens.

Guys like Cedi and Nance would benefit from being properly slotted in 8-9-10 roles rather than starting. But I think all the playing time right now is great for their development
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GSW was compromised but Toronto was still in the finals with those guards. Anyone talking about moving sexton is dumb. I know how sexton progressed last year Do not know what we have in garland yet. We are not a contender. Lets see if sexton improves parts of his game. Lets see what garland is
Being hopeful. I like garland sexton windler and love shooting threes and nance zizic and tt getting put backs
 
inliner311 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if JRs contract is still in play for OKC but in some sort of 3 way deal or for them to flip on to another team. It would be very like Presti to use the pretext that they are dumping the team and trading away Westbrook to sniff out trades to reshape the team into a contender again. If Denver thought OKC was a threat to contend, I don't think they do this deal.

It's alot easier to sell off pieces when teams think you are going into the tank. It much harder if they think you want to be a contender.
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Yes, but it has to be worth it for Cavs. That means if it is part of a Westbrook deal, OKC has to be willing to share the wealth of that trade.

The Cavs are in the repeater tax. They could be up to about $20M over the tax by taking on salary. Looking at the tables, if you are $20M over in the repeater tax, you pay $65 million in luxury tax.

So you need to make it worth the Cavs eating $65M in addition to the high payroll.

The advantage for OKC is they can save money now when attendance will likely dip (was just talking to the people I know at OKC at our convention here last night and they felt attendance would take a big hit if they trade Westbrook). Shaving $12-15M of salary this year will help them and they'll have a lot of cap space next year to go along with all those draft picks they have.

OKC still owes two of their own picks, but they will have at least 8 incoming picks after trading Westbrook, if not more. I'd guess the Cavs would want at least two firsts if they are far in the future to even think about it.
 
Mr. MacPhisto said:
Yes, but it has to be worth it for Cavs. That means if it is part of a Westbrook deal, OKC has to be willing to share the wealth of that trade.

The Cavs are in the repeater tax. They could be up to about $20M over the tax by taking on salary. Looking at the tables, if you are $20M over in the repeater tax, you pay $65 million in luxury tax.

So you need to make it worth the Cavs eating $65M in addition to the high payroll.

The advantage for OKC is they can save money now when attendance will likely dip (was just talking to the people I know at OKC at our convention here last night and they felt attendance would take a big hit if they trade Westbrook). Shaving $12-15M of salary this year will help them and they'll have a lot of cap space next year to go along with all those draft picks they have.

OKC still owes two of their own picks, but they will have at least 8 incoming picks after trading Westbrook, if not more. I'd guess the Cavs would want at least two firsts if they are far in the future to even think about it.
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I was thinking of JRs contract could be used with Love and TT if OKC wanted to go that route. The 125% rules then allows the Cavs to take back 50 million to 78 million in salaries to do the deal. That's a wide range and some of those scenarios could actually keep the Cavs out of the luxury tax. If OKC only gives 50 million in salary then flips JRs contract on in another team, it takes us out of the luxury tax and they might be able to snag another good player from another team.

If JRs contract is thrown into a larger deal, I think it actually becomes easier to get value for it but it doesn't have to be the huge asking price that the front office has been asking for so far. In the TT and Love scenario for 50 million in salary, it might actually be worth just throwing JR in for free so we don't have to pay JRs guaranteed amount.
 
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inliner311 said:
I was thinking of JRs contract could be used with Love and TT if OKC wanted to go that route. The 125% rules then allows the Cavs to take back 50 million to 78 million in salaries to do the deal. That's a wide range and some of those scenarios could actually keep the Cavs out of the luxury tax. If OKC only gives 50 million in salary then flips JRs contract on in another team, it takes us out of the luxury tax and they might be able to snag another good player from another team.

If JRs contract is thrown into a larger deal, I think it actually becomes easier to get value for it but it doesn't have to be the huge asking price that the front office has been asking for so far.
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I'm not sure how realistic any of that is. I think the purpose of extending the deadline for JR was to see if anyone would give up some great assets when the Cavs became the only game in town for saving money now. That is pretty much where they are now. I think the team with the most cap space can only save someone about $6M now while the Cavs could save a team up to $18M, depending on the returning salary and if the receiving team stretches Smith when they release him.

The teams most interested now will be those trying to get below the tax threshold for the new season. OKC is now below that with the trade today. He could also play into three way deals for teams that want to unload high price players (like Westbrook).
 
avs2000 said:
GSW was compromised but Toronto was still in the finals with those guards.
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Toronto had three guards - Lowry, Green, and VanVleet. All three entered the league with reputations as plus defenders despite the relatively poor length of Vanvleet and Lowry. Both of those dudes made up for their lack of length with very good strength. And they had Green, who actually started and is a great matchup for longer/larger guards.

Neither Sexton nor Garland entered the league with anything close to the defensive rep of any of those guys. Perhaps one of them will surprise and go from being a poor defender to being a plus one, but expecting both of them to do that and turn into Lowry/Vanvleet is wildly optimistic.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Toronto had three guards - Lowry, Green, and VanVleet. All three entered the league with reputations as plus defenders despite the relatively poor length of Vanvleet and Lowry. Both of those dudes made up for their lack of length with very good strength. And they had Green, who actually started and is a great matchup for longer/larger guards.

Neither Sexton nor Garland entered the league with anything close to the defensive rep of any of those guys. Perhaps one of them will surprise and go from being a poor defender to being a plus one, but expecting both of them to do that and turn into Lowry/Vanvleet is wildly optimistic.
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Sexton came into the league getting compared to Patrick Beverley and Eric Bledsoe and most scouts mentioned defensive upside as one of his strengths. He also wasn't suppose to he able to shoot. So scouts so far are way off base on Sexton.

Garland is never gonna be a good defender. He doesn't have the body or length (Collin has the length). But KPJ the third guard in the teams future plans has some defensive upside and will likely have to start his career out as a energy defender at SG and SF in small ball lineups.
 
Mr. MacPhisto said:
I'm not sure how realistic any of that is. I think the purpose of extending the deadline for JR was to see if anyone would give up some great assets when the Cavs became the only game in town for saving money now. That is pretty much where they are now. I think the team with the most cap space can only save someone about $6M now while the Cavs could save a team up to $18M, depending on the returning salary and if the receiving team stretches Smith when they release him.

The teams most interested now will be those trying to get below the tax threshold for the new season. OKC is now below that with the trade today. He could also play into three way deals for teams that want to unload high price players (like Westbrook).
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Teams with cap space have dried up but only 5 teams including the Cavs are in luxury tax. Miami might be the only one that wants to clear to get off luxury tax but they are only ~2 million into the luxury tax after they sign Tyler Hero.

Also there are trade exception out there that would most likely be more appealing than JRs contract to clear cap with.

At this point I actually think adding JRs contract to a bigger trade so a team can absorb a player they want in another trade or in a 3 way is really the only way he is getting traded. The common value won't be there for both sides to do a salary dump.

I think at the end we are either including him in a bigger trade or more than likely waiving and stretching his guaranteed money to get under the luxury tax.
 
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