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Derek
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I think sometimes we forget where Bauer was as a pitcher prior to 2017. In 2015 and 2016 he posted an ERA just under 4.50 with about 8.5 K/9 and 3.6 BB/9
Compare that to this year where he's at 3.65 ERA 10.4 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9.
Also, his swing and miss rate has increased drastically from 9% in 2016 to almost 12% this year.
He's established himself as a top 25 pitcher in this league, and borderline ace.
EDIT: Also, on an unrelated note, but place here in order to avoid a triple post:
I keep seeing Trey Mancini's name being thrown around like he has a lot of value. To me, doesn't.
Hell, just last year, he was worth NEGATIVE WAR.
While he's not nearly as much of a swing and miss guy, he's much closer to Chris Carter than he is to JD Martinez.
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Mancini is in a 0-24 slump too
Bundy desperately needs to be traded to a competent organization who may be able to get something out of him, but don't see why Cleveland would be interested in a rehaul project with only 2 more years of control considering the depth they have at the position
I like Givens but he's also having the worst season of his career.
Bundy desperately needs to be traded to a competent organization who may be able to get something out of him, but don't see why Cleveland would be interested in a rehaul project with only 2 more years of control considering the depth they have at the position
I like Givens but he's also having the worst season of his career.
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BB/9: 2016-2018. 3.3, 3.1, 2.9. You're going to call that natural progression the outlier, rather than the current 3.5 (which has been coming down since his struggles early this year)?
His WHIP last year was 1.089, this year is 1.188. Hits/9 is 7.2, last year was 6.9.
His home runs are up this year. That's about it. The dude's still an ace, and I really hesitate to label a 28-year old's steady progression as an outlier.
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FWIW, Houston has ONE starter from their opening day rotation signed for next season (Verlander).
Their homegrown pitching talent has pretty much all flamed out in epic proportions this season. Peacock was close to returning before his shoulder flared up again and is out indefinitely. McCullers had TJ surgery. Corbin Martin had TJ surgery. Collin McHugh has forearm issues and moved to the pen. Framber Valdez hasn't been good at the MLB level. Cionel Perez has been even worse than Valdez and has arm issues. Even their young guys like Forrest Whitely and JB Bukauskas have bombed this year. Whitely, in particular, seems to have forgotten how to throw a baseball.... and he has arm issues.
I would think Bauer’s last year of team control would be very attractive to them with all things considered....
Their homegrown pitching talent has pretty much all flamed out in epic proportions this season. Peacock was close to returning before his shoulder flared up again and is out indefinitely. McCullers had TJ surgery. Corbin Martin had TJ surgery. Collin McHugh has forearm issues and moved to the pen. Framber Valdez hasn't been good at the MLB level. Cionel Perez has been even worse than Valdez and has arm issues. Even their young guys like Forrest Whitely and JB Bukauskas have bombed this year. Whitely, in particular, seems to have forgotten how to throw a baseball.... and he has arm issues.
I would think Bauer’s last year of team control would be very attractive to them with all things considered....
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This in a nutshell. No argument, last year he was great. I hoped he'd turned a corner. He hasn't. Mentally he's the same, a combination of overthinking and overemotional. I don't care if he's "different" so long as he's consistently great when it matters most.
I get the feeling some of you are relying on regular season performance while I'm leaning on post-season performance. Fine, but when I think #1-4, or #1-3, that's what I'm really thinking. To me the playoffs are where your "borderline ace" has to stand up. Yeah, he had that great start against the Yankees in the 2017 playoffs. Three days rest later, he got chased early. What was it, 2 innings? I know there were a lot of errors in that game but he also threw a ton of pitches in a couple innings. And don't give me the "short rest" argument. If he's the guy, he has to do better. 2016 playoffs, how deep did he ever pitch? 4 innings?
So, yeah, regular season maybe he's a "borderline ace." Or always capable of being a borderline ace. To me that sounds like a #2-#3 guy. Fine. Playoffs? No way. I'm not blaming our past few postseasons on him by any means, btw. And like Steve said, he's plenty valuable for us and just about any other team. I just think some of you undervalue what a #1-#2 guy is supposed to mean.
Done arguing. I'd be thrilled if Bauer proved me wrong while still in Cleveland. Otherwise we'll see what the market has to say.
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This is rather silly when you consider he has about 20 innings worth of a sample you're judging.
Absolutely no objective argument can be made about whether or not he's a "playoff" pitcher.
That's nonsense.
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I agree that Houston probably has Bauer at the top of their board this deadline. If I’m the Indians though, I’m not trading him to them unless either Tucker or Alvarez are the return. I highly doubt that Alvarez would be moved, so it’s pretty much Tucker or no Bauer as far as I’m concerned.
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When looking at Bauer's 2017 4.19 ERA, keep in mind he had 5.24 ERA at the deadline.
Had a 3.01 the rest of the way. 2.60 in you take out his first start after the ASB, where he didn't get out of the 1st inning vs. Oakland
He's giving up a lot of HRs this year, but who isn't?
Had a 3.01 the rest of the way. 2.60 in you take out his first start after the ASB, where he didn't get out of the 1st inning vs. Oakland
He's giving up a lot of HRs this year, but who isn't?
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20 home runs - 1/4 of those to one batter!
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Yeah, Bauer hasn't lit the world on fire by any means this year, but he's still a pretty good #1 or an elite #2 starter on any team in the league. The walk and HBP rates are kind of alarming, but he's also on pace to strikeout 285 guys this year as of now.
On his best day, there's an extremely short list of pitchers better than him in the league right now.
On his best day, there's an extremely short list of pitchers better than him in the league right now.
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Playoff stats are kind of meaningless to me since it’s such a small sample size, but he has proven that he can be lights out in that setting as well.
And he’s obviously grown a lot as a pitcher since 2016.
He was the best pitcher in baseball last year not named deGrom when healthy. He had a lot of things bounce his way.
This year he’s still been awesome. The inconsistency is all in your mind, he had a couple bad starts in May against shit teams. He’s 10th in the league in quality starts with 13, Scherzer is the solo leader with 16.
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His walks are up too. 54 in 138 IP, compared to 57 in 2018 in 175.1 IP. His FIP is almost 2 runs higher than 2018 as well.
I've never prescribed to the "take away these bad games and he's this" line of thinking. His shitty start in June against the Tigers counts the same as his gem against the same team 5 days earlier.
Again, I really like Bauer as a pitcher - he''s absolutely a top notch starting pitcher. But I'm not sure he's Kluber-in-his-prime good, which was my original point (and how many pitchers really are that good?)
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Well, of course, considering how heavy HRs allowed factors into FIP..
I mean, he clearly figured something out in the 2nd half of the season. In this case it's not picking out a random blowup in September, it's the first start of the 2nd half.
