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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 18 10.9%

  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 21 12.7%

  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 18.8%

  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 24.2%

  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.3%

  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.1%

  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 6.7%

  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.1%

  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 7.9%
  • Total voters
    165
29% shooting and a PER of 1.76!

"STEPH CURRY RANGE!" :disdain (29):
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
It's a good question. I don't have an answer to that, but it may stagnate one's, or both growth. When seperated they may have a better chance to develop. Don't know whats better in the long run.

But from my pov, regardless, both of them can not co-exist.
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so you now admit drafting another score first guard wasn't a great idea , but you are now on the Garland bandwagon because he is a rookie and it's ok to fail? Gawd you homers are hilarious .
 
Ozone said:
so you now admit drafting another score first guard wasn't a great idea , but you are now on the Garland bandwagon because he is a rookie and it's ok to fail? Gawd you homers are hilarious .
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No, I said from the beginning that they could not exist, and I prioritize Garland because I like his game, skill set more, and think he has better chances of becoming a cornerstone at the point guard position, even with his current struggles.

AND HOW IS GARLAND A SCORE FIRST GUARD?

You Ozone are a little brat. Admit it.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
It's a good question. I don't have an answer to that, but it may stagnate one's, or both growth. When seperated they may have a better chance to develop. Don't know whats better in the long run.

But from my pov, regardless, both of them can not co-exist.
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I think I realized why they are playing Sexton and Garland together. If they were playing separately it would feed into the narrative that Sexton and Garland are competing to be the Cavs future PG. I think the players would buy into that narrative too. Which I don't think the organization envisions this as their plan for the future right now.

While them playing together might slow down their development, it keeps them focus on trying to work on playing with each other and playing as a unit. More they are separated, the more people and the players will compare how they are running their units. I think it could build a mentality of "its either you or me" on this team vs trying to build the team together for the future.

While I would like them to play more separately so they can maximize their growth. I think they will have to walk a fine line as an organization to make sure they have them both develop right and making sure they can be long term pieces for the organization.
 
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Let's not write the kid off too quickly. He's basically a high schooler out there, experience-wise. Could take some time to click.

Thing I'm most worried about is the apparent lack of athleticism. But we'll see.
 
NobodyImportant said:
Let's not write the kid off too quickly. He's basically a high schooler out there, experience-wise. Could take some time to click.

Thing I'm most worried about is the apparent lack of athleticism. But we'll see.
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He's gotten himself good looks. The shots will eventually start falling. Lack of athleticism is only a real concern on defense. But it also means his game will age extremely well if everything starts to click. He's never going to be a good defender. He has some quickness but he's not explosive at all. I think the concerns over his athleticism are over blown.
 
inliner311 said:
I think I realized why they are playing Sexton and Garland together. If they were playing separately it would feed into the narrative that Sexton and Garland are competing to be the Cavs future PG. I think the players would buy into that narrative too. Which I don't think the organization envisions is their plan for the future right now.

While them playing together might slow down their development, it keeps them focus on trying to work on playing with each other and playing as a unit. More they are separated, the more people and the players will compare how they are running their units. I think it could build a mentality of "its either you or me" on this team vs trying to build the team together for the future.

While I would like them to play more separately so they can maximize their growth. I think they will have to walk a fine line as an organization to make sure they have them both develop right and making sure they can be long term pieces for the organization.
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Horrible, IMO.

You see a team like Memphis target their key player and build around them while the Cavaliers/Koby tries to make pieces fit that doesn't. The development of Garland is mind boggling to me. He looks lost without a role with the starters. He's a PG that doesn't run the point. You have Love, TT and Nance running with the ball up court and setting up plays while Garland stands in the corner.

You heard about Garland shooting ability and JB has yet to put Garland in a position to get open looks.

Putting Garland and Sexton together doesn't work. JB should be doing what's better for the team instead of hindering the development of Garland/Sexton. I wouldn't mind Garland going to the bench. He could take control and play his game with the second unit until he gain his confidence back, plus he doesn't fit with the starters.
 
Garland has the second most open looks on the team behind Love and just ahead of Sexton.

The difference is, Garland has a 44.4% eFG% on his while Love is at 64.5% and Sexton is at 73.1%.

More specifically, he's been awful on wide-open looks with just a 27.3% eFG%.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
No, I said from the beginning that they could not exist, and I prioritize Garland because I like his game, skill set more, and think he has better chances of becoming a cornerstone at the point guard position, even with his current struggles.

AND HOW IS GARLAND A SCORE FIRST GUARD?

You Ozone are a little brat. Admit it.
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lol your right he cant even score at the pro level what was I thinking
 
Player A: 7 G, 7 GS, 8.9 PPG, 1.3 APG, .379 FG%, .250 3PT%, .800 FT%
Player B: 7 G, 7 GS, 7.6 PPG, 3.4 APG, .292 FG%, .259 3PT%, .667 FT%
Player C: 7 G, 1 GS, 7.9 PPG, 1.7 APG, .350 FG%, .321 3PT%, .308 FT%
Player D: 7 G, 7 GS, 6.1 PPG, 1.9 APG, .246 FG%, .200 3PT%, .833 FT%

Maybe you can tell without looking which one is Garland, which one is Jarrett Culver, which one is Cam Reddish, and which one is DeAndre Hunter.

Maybe they're all busts.

Or maybe it's just really fucking stupid to draw conclusions about players after two weeks.
 
AllforOne said:
Player A: 7 G, 7 GS, 8.9 PPG, 1.3 APG, .379 FG%, .250 3PT%, .800 FT%
Player B: 7 G, 7 GS, 7.6 PPG, 3.4 APG, .292 FG%, .259 3PT%, .667 FT%
Player C: 7 G, 1 GS, 7.9 PPG, 1.7 APG, .350 FG%, .321 3PT%, .308 FT%
Player D: 7 G, 7 GS, 6.1 PPG, 1.9 APG, .246 FG%, .200 3PT%, .833 FT%

Maybe you can tell without looking which one is Garland, which one is Jarrett Culver, which one is Cam Reddish, and which one is DeAndre Hunter.

Maybe they're all busts.

Or maybe it's just really fucking stupid to draw conclusions about players after two weeks.
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Garland B Reddish D...
 
Tbf, at least three of those players project as role player types at their peak
 
AllforOne said:
Player A: 7 G, 7 GS, 8.9 PPG, 1.3 APG, .379 FG%, .250 3PT%, .800 FT%
Player B: 7 G, 7 GS, 7.6 PPG, 3.4 APG, .292 FG%, .259 3PT%, .667 FT%
Player C: 7 G, 1 GS, 7.9 PPG, 1.7 APG, .350 FG%, .321 3PT%, .308 FT%
Player D: 7 G, 7 GS, 6.1 PPG, 1.9 APG, .246 FG%, .200 3PT%, .833 FT%

Maybe you can tell without looking which one is Garland, which one is Jarrett Culver, which one is Cam Reddish, and which one is DeAndre Hunter.

Maybe they're all busts.

Or maybe it's just really fucking stupid to draw conclusions about players after two weeks.
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Well it was suppose to be a weak draft
 
Alec Zander said:
Tbf, at least three of those players project as role player types at their peak
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Hunter and Reddish were projected role players.
Culver was projected to be a starter and a very good one at that. He had defense and playmaking that scouts loved but an inconsistent shot. He would be someone Cavaliers should target in a trade if he ever becomes available. Hes a good fit next to Sexton or Garland. Which ever one we choose as our future PG cause at some point wether or not people like it we will have to pick one.
 
Garland looks awful out there but nobody should be forming any conclusions whatsoever at this point. My only objection is having him out on the floor during crunch time of a winnable game like Boston was. Play him his minutes but if the team battles and has a chance to get a W then put the pros out there to at least give the team a chance. If and when Garland starts to show he can run with the big boys then he can get his chances during the more meaningful minutes
 
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