It's 6 games into his NBA career. He's in a unique position he went almost a year without any competitive basketball. Holding him out of SL may have been a mistake. I'm not putting stock into SL but it would have got him reps. He's essentially a HS draftee who sat a year out. Trae Young last year in November apparently had a stretch where he shot 1-25 from three point land.
Also he's averaging more assits then Sexton in less minutes and fewer touches. That's more about Sexton slowly becoming a shorter Clarkson then a compliment to Garland though. I'm unsure about his quickness being a factor dude has created good looks for himself but the shots just aren't falling.
Sexton and Garland both don't compliment each other at the moment. I never thought they should share the floor so much to start off. Sexton need time to grow and build up his PG skills. Garland needs to adjust to the NBA and learn to play off the ball. Them playing with each other doesn't help build up those skills.
I think the problem lies with Beilein playing Delly and not spacing out Garland and Sexton's minute over the full 48 minutes of the game. To maximize their development, at least one of them should be on the floor at all times. Dellys complete lack of being able to knock down a 3 pt shot really hurts the rotation right now. Knight is the better option to play at the moment for both development and trade value.
Sexton and Garland both don't compliment each other at the moment. I never thought they should share the floor so much to start off. Sexton need time to grow and build up his PG skills. Garland needs to adjust to the NBA and learn to play off the ball. Them playing with each other doesn't help build up those skills.
I think the problem lies with Beilein playing Delly and not spacing out Garland and Sexton's minute over the full 48 minutes of the game. To maximize their development, at least one of them should be on the floor at all times. Dellys complete lack of being able to knock down a 3 pt shot really hurts the rotation right now. Knight is the better option to play at the moment for both development and trade value.
If Sexton needs to build up his "point guard skills" like vision and passing and running the offense, and Garland needs to "learn to play off the ball," why can't they be on the court together? Those needs compliment one another.
If Sexton needs to build up his "point guard skills" like vision and passing and running the offense, and Garland needs to "learn to play off the ball," why can't they be on the court together? Those needs compliment one another.
If Sexton needs to build up his "point guard skills" like vision and passing and running the offense, and Garland needs to "learn to play off the ball," why can't they be on the court together? Those needs compliment one another.
I think for Sexton to grow he needs the confidence that if he works to get a shot for someone that they will take it and knock it down. On the flip side, I think Garland needs the game to slow down for most but I do think he needs someone to feed him catch and shoot opportunities. A vet that won't lose confidence in him if he doesn't knock down shots.
Ultimately they should get to the point where they can work on it together but right now they are so far a part that I think its detrimental to their growth and their future chemistry.
It's a good question. I don't have an answer to that, but it may stagnate one's, or both growth. When seperated they may have a better chance to develop. Don't know whats better in the long run.
But from my pov, regardless, both of them can not co-exist.
It's a good question. I don't have an answer to that, but it may stagnate one's, or both growth. When seperated they may have a better chance to develop. Don't know whats better in the long run.
But from my pov, regardless, both of them can not co-exist.
I agree with that last statement, but for me, that's defensively. I think in the long run they should be fine at creating a good offense when they share the floor. If Garland were knocking down the shots he's taking now, they'd be doing it imo.
And Coby White isn't 6 games in? There was a lot of rave about Garlands range, handle and quickness...
Rookie guards like Herro, Nunn, White and Edwards are performing better. I leave out Morant because he was not available...
That's assuming it was a good idea to draft another point guard when we already had Sexton.. Currently out of the top 13 picks, not looking at guys drafted 1-4, only Cam Reddish has a lower Field goal percentage at 26, Garland is 29%..
Meanwhile everybody's favorite punching bag , Jordan Clarkson has proven to be an actual NBA guard..
My point is that while part of fandom is getting excited by what might be, part of it is also being real about what we got in the draft. We gambled on the unknown, and at this point it's not clear that was a good idea..
It's only six games in, but the justification for taking him is looking a little thin. He has a long way to go to justify being number 5, much less replacing Collin anytime soon..
Garland is lost out there. We could have beat the Celts but for the wasted possessions where Garland tried to score, and Garland being owned by Kemba on the other end of the court.
If we want to lose and tank, keep Garland out there during crunch time. I'm fine with giving him all the minutes we want during the earlier parts of the game but damn, it would be nice to beat teams like Boston when the opportunity is there.
And to anyone saying Sexton doesn't know how to pass the ball? GTFOH. Sexton did a great job of attacking, drawing the defense, and kicking out. He also made nice passes in 2 man actions. In addition to playing tough defense. I hope Garland becomes the player everyone thinks he can become, and I have no reason to think he won't eventually. But for now Sexton >>>>>>>Garland and it isn't even close... as it should be at this point in their careers and experience.
It's a good question. I don't have an answer to that, but it may stagnate one's, or both growth. When seperated they may have a better chance to develop. Don't know whats better in the long run.
But from my pov, regardless, both of them can not co-exist.
I don't think they can co-exist right now but they should be fine long term. I think long term it's more of a question of how many minutes they can play together and what's best for the team. They might just play 12-15 minutes together instead of 30-32, where Garland is purely the PG and Sexton plays SG. I think ultimately their long term minutes together will be decided on how much of combo guards they both can become and how they can hold their own defensively.
Garland is lost out there. We could have beat the Celts but for the wasted possessions where Garland tried to score, and Garland being owned by Kemba on the other end of the court.
If we want to lose and tank, keep Garland out there during crunch time. I'm fine with giving him all the minutes we want during the earlier parts of the game but damn, it would be nice to beat teams like Boston when the opportunity is there.
And to anyone saying Sexton doesn't know how to pass the ball? GTFOH. Sexton did a great job of attacking, drawing the defense, and kicking out. He also made nice passes in 2 man actions. In addition to playing tough defense. I hope Garland becomes the player everyone thinks he can become, and I have no reason to think he won't eventually. But for now Sexton >>>>>>>Garland and it isn't even close... as it should be at this point in their careers and experience.
Whether Sexton knows how to pass or not isn't the problem. It's the end result.
Sexton's 11.6 AST% just ain't cuttin it, boss. That is unless you're OK with half the roster -- including Tristan Thompson -- doing laps around Sexton as a passer. Do you know why the Cavs drafted Garland? Because Sexton didn't pass last season, either. At some point we gotta put our big boy pants on and accept the fact that Sexton is a SG in a PG's body.
The knocks on Garland are warranted. But it's a very long season. Players with particular skills will rise to the top like cream.
In 7 games, he averages 27 minutes, 7.6 points, 3.3 assists, 1.4 rebounds,, 0.7 steals, 2.4 turnovers, 1.3 personal fouls, 29.2% on 10.3 field goals attempted, 25.9% on 3.9 threes attempted, and 66.7% on 0.9 free throws.
Here's a list of successful guards that were at star level but took their bumps and bruises early on. The majority of them had at least 1 18 point/8 assist per game season with at least 70 games played. The job I took was to see how they fared in their first 10 or so games as a rookie (bold = highest):
Name
Age
GS
MPG
PTS/G
TRB/G
AST/G
FGA/G
FG%
3FG%
FT%
Andre Miller
23
0
20.6
11.3
3.0
4.7
8.4
54.8%
Only 5 attempts
71.4%
Chris Paul
20
10
36.4
16.6
5.2
6.3
12.7
44.9%
24.1%
86.5%
Russell Westbrook
19/20
0
23.5
11.8
3.2
3.1
11.7
30.8%
30.0%
85.1%
Kevin Johnson
21
0
23.2
8.0
1.6
3.6
6.8
48.5%
Only 1 attempt
73.7%
Stephen Curry
21
7
27.7
8.9
2.6
4.7
7.4
50.0%
42.9%
54.5%
Tim Hardaway
23
9
25.5
9.0
3.5
6.7
8.7
48.3%
Only 4 attempts
62.5%
Steve Nash
22
1
18.1
6.6
1.8
3.9
4.6
47.8%
22.2%
87.0%
Stephon Marbury
19
7
28.9
13.3
3.3
4.8
12.8
35.2%
31.1%
67.4%
Deron Williams
21
2
27.9
13.1
2.2
3.7
12.4
39.5%
37.1%
74.1%
Mark Price
22
0
17.2
5.1
1.5
3.6
5.5
36.4%
36.4%
70.0%
Sam Cassell
24
4
13.4
6.5
2.4
1.7
4.9
46.9%
43.8%
85.7%
Baron Davis
20
0
19.2
5.4
2.4
3.2
5.3
37.7%
11.8%
70.6%
Damon Stoudamire
22
10
40.9
17.0
5.1
8.2
14.5
39.3%
29.4%
90.2%
Kenny Anderson
21
0
25.9
11.6
2.6
5.0
12.9
37.2%
Only 6 attempts
69.2%
Sherman Douglas
23
0
22.1
9.4
2.8
5.2
8.0
47.5%
Only 5 attempts
62.1%
Quick Notes:
There's 15 players on the list.
In 7 games, Garland...:
Is younger than 11 of these players (and about as old as 3 of them)
Started more games than 10 of these players (and as many as 2 of them)
Played more minutes than 10 of them
Scored less points than 11 of them
Assisted less than 12 of them
Shot less than 6 of them
He's at the same level as many of these guys. 7 of these players improved halfway through their rookie campaigns. Let's give Garland the benefit of the doubt.
The knocks on Garland are warranted. But it's a very long season. Players with particular skills will rise to the top like cream.
In 7 games, he averages 27 minutes, 7.6 points, 3.3 assists, 1.4 rebounds,, 0.7 steals, 2.4 turnovers, 1.3 personal fouls, 29.2% on 10.3 field goals attempted, 25.9% on 3.9 threes attempted, and 66.7% on 0.9 free throws.
Here's a list of successful guards that were at star level but took their bumps and bruises early on. The majority of them had at least 1 18 point/8 assist per game season with at least 70 games played. The job I took was to see how they fared in their first 10 or so games as a rookie (bold = highest):
Name
Age
GS
MPG
PTS/G
TRB/G
AST/G
FGA/G
FG%
3FG%
FT%
Andre Miller
23
0
20.6
11.3
3.0
4.7
8.4
54.8%
Only 5 attempts
71.4%
Chris Paul
20
10
36.4
16.6
5.2
6.3
12.7
44.9%
24.1%
86.5%
Russell Westbrook
19/20
0
23.5
11.8
3.2
3.1
11.7
30.8%
30.0%
85.1%
Kevin Johnson
21
0
23.2
8.0
1.6
3.6
6.8
48.5%
Only 1 attempt
73.7%
Stephen Curry
21
7
27.7
8.9
2.6
4.7
7.4
50.0%
42.9%
54.5%
Tim Hardaway
23
9
25.5
9.0
3.5
6.7
8.7
48.3%
Only 4 attempts
62.5%
Steve Nash
22
1
18.1
6.6
1.8
3.9
4.6
47.8%
22.2%
87.0%
Stephon Marbury
19
7
28.9
13.3
3.3
4.8
12.8
35.2%
31.1%
67.4%
Deron Williams
21
2
27.9
13.1
2.2
3.7
12.4
39.5%
37.1%
74.1%
Mark Price
22
0
17.2
5.1
1.5
3.6
5.5
36.4%
36.4%
70.0%
Sam Cassell
24
4
13.4
6.5
2.4
1.7
4.9
46.9%
43.8%
85.7%
Baron Davis
20
0
19.2
5.4
2.4
3.2
5.3
37.7%
11.8%
70.6%
Damon Stoudamire
22
10
40.9
17.0
5.1
8.2
14.5
39.3%
29.4%
90.2%
Kenny Anderson
21
0
25.9
11.6
2.6
5.0
12.9
37.2%
Only 6 attempts
69.2%
Sherman Douglas
23
0
22.1
9.4
2.8
5.2
8.0
47.5%
Only 5 attempts
62.1%
Quick Notes:
There's 15 players on the list.
In 7 games, Garland...:
Is younger than 11 of these players (and about as old as 3 of them)
Started more games than 10 of these players (and as many as 2 of them)
Played more minutes than 10 of them
Scored less points than 11 of them
Assisted less than 12 of them
Shot less than 6 of them
He's at the same level as many of these guys. 7 of these players improved halfway through their rookie campaigns. Let's give Garland the benefit of the doubt.
I agree, also lets not forget he did not play much basketball at all last year. He is basically going from HS to NBA with limited college games. Once the games start to slow down for him, and he can get in a rhythm shooting I think it will all work out.
Both have been better than Garland. But that misses the point. We did not need to take a point guard.. if they next nine players available included SF, SG or bigs with equivalent skills, we would have been better off chosing them. The logic was that Garland was so much better that we picked him despite the position he plays..
He may prove to be that good, but so far he is not tracking in that direction.. it's a long season, and like Collin he may significantly improve between now and May. IMHO that improvement will track closely to his ability to shoot high percentage shots, as opposed to many bricks..
It’s been seven games. Steph Curry has seven threes through his first seven games. Garland has seven threes through his first seven games.
People just want to be mad about something. Garland has been poor, inefficient, and bad on defense. The sample size is also so small that it is entirely insignificant.
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