Darius Kinnard Garland

[Ozone]

Hunter and Reddish were projected role players.
Culver was projected to be a starter and a very good one at that. He had defense and playmaking that scouts loved but an inconsistent shot. He would be someone Cavaliers should target in a trade if he ever becomes available. Hes a good fit next to Sexton or Garland. Which ever one we choose as our future PG cause at some point wether or not people like it we will have to pick one.

hey maybe they will draft another one next year since the 2020 draft is loaded with score first guards and almost zero position of need players for this roster like elite ceiling sf's pf's and centers.
This team is going to be really bad for a really long time if Beilein can't figure out how to elevate the strengths of these guards without sacrificing their development individually while he is trying to implement his system that neither are familiar with because they are not strong at playing in a system the moves the ball out of their hands instead of trusting them to make the plays . moving one of them won't solve it either.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I don't know why people are surprised by a slow start from the 19 player who had to miss a calendar year of workouts and games. That should be expected.

The real question is whether or not fitting him into a system that has a very calculated role for him at a lower usage rate is the best way to develop him. I personally think they are handling it right. For the 19 year old who really didn't play much on the NCAA, the team has hired two bright minds from the NCAA in Gottlieb and Beilein. They are used to the problems brought on by inexperience.

If he isn't confident out on the court, a higher usage rate only puts more pressure on him. Kevin Love and Sexton are playing with confidence, and are orchestrating the offense more than the point guard. When Garland is ready to sit in the driver's seat, he will take the role from Sexton.

Cavs fans may have talked themselves into a faster start, but just like Sexton last year I care more about how he plays at the end of the year than the beginning.

 

[NMCav]

hey maybe they will draft another one next year since the 2020 draft is loaded with score first guards and almost zero position of need players for this roster like elite ceiling sf's pf's and centers.
This team is going to be really bad for a really long time if Beilein can't figure out how to elevate the strengths of these guards without sacrificing their development individually while he is trying to implement his system that neither are familiar with because they are not strong at playing in a system the moves the ball out of their hands instead of trusting them to make the plays . moving one of them won't solve it either.

Because this draft was stock full of elite potential wings and bigs. Oh wait........

 

[Man Called X]

At least I don't have to be worried about Klutch holding us a hostage with another superstar player...

 

[Ozone]

Because this draft was stock full of elite potential wings and bigs. Oh wait........

Jaxson Hayes is an elite ceiling big, Hachimura dn Doumbouya are both high ceiling forwards. Even White Herro and Culver were all more proven on and off ball guards to pair with Sexton.
Whatever the case may be I will say this, if Garland plays defense like he is tonight more often he is going to change my opinion of him.
Proof goes along way with me

 

[NMCav]

Jaxson Hayes is an elite ceiling big, Hachimura dn Doumbouya are both high ceiling forwards. Even White Herro and Culver were all more proven on and off ball guards to pair with Sexton.
Whatever the case may be I will say this, if Garland plays defense like he is tonight more often he is going to change my opinion of him.
Proof goes along way with me

Sexton is a off ball guard despite his size. He can't and will never be able to be a primary facilitator.

Hayes can't rebound. No where close to elite ceiling big. His ceiling is DeAndre Jordan without the rebounding.

Rui is a project and 3 years older then Garland. Herro wasn't even considered a top 15 pick by most let alone top 5. Stop it.

Culver is the only one you could argue. But Culver can't even get minutes in Minny. So stop being a bitch. Garland is a Cavalier wether you like it or not.

 

[Ozone]

Sexton is a off ball guard despite his size. He can't and will never be able to be a primary facilitator.

Hayes can't rebound. No where close to elite ceiling big. His ceiling is DeAndre Jordan without the rebounding.

Rui is a project and 3 years older then Garland. Herro wasn't even considered a top 15 pick by most let alone top 5. Stop it.

Culver is the only one you could argue. But Culver can't even get minutes in Minny. So stop being a bitch. Garland is a Cavalier wether you like it or not.

lol you mad bro? how do i taste in your pie?
your takes on each and every one of those players is terrible but hey at least they played enough in college to have bad rebounding numbers or shooting %'s you can use in arguments .
the point you're missing is Garland has been a huge disapointment for 5th overall but the apologists can keep using every excuse in the book hoping he turns it around.
he is starting to prove some things to me especially tonight but nothing indicating a elite player.
that can change , but proof is required.
stop pretending you are happy with what he has done so far or thst im not justified in my concerns

 

[inliner311]

Horrible, IMO.

You see a team like Memphis target their key player and build around them while the Cavaliers/Koby tries to make pieces fit that doesn't. The development of Garland is mind boggling to me. He looks lost without a role with the starters. He's a PG that doesn't run the point. You have Love, TT and Nance running with the ball up court and setting up plays while Garland stands in the corner.

You heard about Garland shooting ability and JB has yet to put Garland in a position to get open looks.

Putting Garland and Sexton together doesn't work. JB should be doing what's better for the team instead of hindering the development of Garland/Sexton. I wouldn't mind Garland going to the bench. He could take control and play his game with the second unit until he gain his confidence back, plus he doesn't fit with the starters.

Memphis had higher picks the last two years than the Cavs. I did like how they went and got Brandon Clarke but sometimes where a team picks can make them look better or worse than other rebuilding teams.

Like in 2012, if we landed the #2 we might have went with MKG. Getting #3 and we probably take Beal. We end up #4 and got Dion. Maybe if we drop back a couple more spots, we end up with Lillard or Harrison Barnes.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

And just as everyone starts to pile on the teenager for struggling his first three weeks in the NBA after not playing for a full year, he has a really nice two-way game where he plays like a total pro and made the team better every minute he was out there.

Not playing competitive ball for that long generally always leads to slow starts. Rare for guys to be immediately productive/100% like Kyrie for example but even he came back for a couple tournament games in college.

 

[NMCav]

lol you mad bro? how do i taste in your pie?
your takes on each and every one of those players is terrible but hey at least they played enough in college to have bad rebounding numbers or shooting %'s you can use in arguments .
the point you're missing is Garland has been a huge disapointment for 5th overall but the apologists can keep using every excuse in the book hoping he turns it around.
he is starting to prove some things to me especially tonight but nothing indicating a elite player.
that can change , but proof is required.
stop pretending you are happy with what he has done so far or thst im not justified in my concerns

One I never said I was happy with how he had performed. He has flashed but hasn't produced before tonight. Two how are my takes terrible? Hayes is soft on the glass. Rui is 3 years older and a project and Herro wasn't a viable option at 5 in the draft. The only two realistic choices for the Cavs draft night were Culver and Garland. That's who was high on their board. White is literally a slightly taller Sexton with less length. White would have been a disaster with Sexton. We don't need Sexton, Clarkson and White. No one else would ever get the ball.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

lol you mad bro? how do i taste in your pie?
your takes on each and every one of those players is terrible but hey at least they played enough in college to have bad rebounding numbers or shooting %'s you can use in arguments .
the point you're missing is Garland has been a huge disapointment for 5th overall but the apologists can keep using every excuse in the book hoping he turns it around.
he is starting to prove some things to me especially tonight but nothing indicating a elite player.
that can change , but proof is required.
stop pretending you are happy with what he has done so far or thst im not justified in my concerns

Nobody can be a “huge disappointment” after literally less than 10 NBA games bro. Like, Small sample size theatre much? His first 8 competitive games that actually mean something in basically a full calendar year? And you’re burying him?

Trae Young went from absolute disaster to Steve Nash 2.0 in the matter of like 30 games. Tyreke Evans was a 20-5-5 mini LeBron and ended up a mediocre role player.

If It’s late March and he’s shooting 43/27/77 averaging with no flashes to write home about then it might be time to dig into the caution flag bag but for now let’s wait and see.

I think one of his biggest issues has been him trying to figure out how to best fit his skilset int our offensive system and manage to pick his spots without floating or going too long unengaged. But I think he figured at least a little of that out tonight , he seemed more comfortable and confident in himself.

He needs to work on getting more threes up but we were able to rally make progress with Collin on that last year so I hope we can do the same with Darius.

Also, he’s really feeling out how he’s going to best attack the rim and finish inside, which is one of the things we’ve know he will have to work on. A lot of the inside finishing over bigger guys starts and ends in the weight room. Also the in between game from 6-10 feet with floaters and such isn’t something that will happen overnight.

Really happy with his court vision and playmaking though. I think that aspect of his game was very underrated.

 

[inliner311]

And just as everyone starts to pile on the teenager for struggling his first three weeks in the NBA after not playing for a full year, he has a really nice two-way game where he plays like a total pro and made the team better every minute he was out there.

Not playing competitive ball for that long generally always leads to slow starts. Rare for guys to be immediately productive/100% like Kyrie for example but even he came back for a couple tournament games in college.

I would even say how Sexton progressed last season was rare for a rookie. Sexton was very linear in his progression and methodical. It wasn't a flash game here or there but building on his performance from game to game or week to week.

I expect Garland to flash every week or two then have a couple bad games. When the light goes off for him that will flip where he has a handful of good games and then a clunker or two. Year two is where he will have to become more consistent.

 

[buzzdog]

Progress tonight, good to see.

 

[CavsFTW]

Progress tonight, good to see.

Six assists. SIX ASSISTS!!! I'm sitting here at my PC going nerdballs over six lousy assists.

And poor Collin Sexton. It took him 26 games to accomplish the same feat last season.

 

[MrX]

Maybe if we drop back a couple more spots, we end up with Lillard or Harrison Barnes.

Good point, and it's interesting. Sometimes the lesser draft position can make your GM look brilliant but I doubt POR and GS even at #6 or #7 would be silly enough to take a player that couldn't start in college.

Unfortunately Cavs passed on Lillard and Barnes at #4 so no reason to think Cavs don't draft Dion at #5 #6 or #7

To your point though. If Cavs drafted Thomas Robinson at #4 maybe Kings draft Lillard or Barnes at #5 and look brilliant.