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Who Do Want the Browns to Hire as Head Coach?

  • Josh McDaniels OC-Patriots

    Votes: 52 33.1%

  • Kevin Stefanski OC-Vikings (DePo Certified)

    Votes: 88 56.1%

  • Robert "The Napoleon of Motivators" Saleh DC-49ers

    Votes: 20 12.7%

  • Greg "ED Pill" Roman OC-City I Shall Not Name

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Eric "The Enemy" Bieniemy OC-Chiefs

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Brian Daboll OC-Bills

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Urban "Hear No Evil, See No Evil" Meyer (Formerly) HC-OSU

    Votes: 5 3.2%

  • Bill Cowher (Formerly) HC-Strongsville

    Votes: 8 5.1%

  • Jim "Use the" Schwartz DC-Iggles

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Total voters
    157
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Marcus said:
Trying to temper my expectations, but it’s awesome to hear that Stefanski is highly regarded by so many reputable football minds in the league.
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Sort of excited in a different way.

Clearly, Paton killed it and opened the entire room to the possibility that maybe George Paton was the right guy. That speaks well of the process they put in place and the open mindedness of who is in the room.

I think this is what Depo means when he says it's about process over results. Eventually, it should lead to the right result, and in this case, its leading them to a different option, rather than skipping all the steps and giving it to the front runner.
 
Marcus said:
Trying to temper my expectations, but it’s awesome to hear that Stefanski is highly regarded by so many reputable football minds in the league.
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Me too, even though I should know much, much better than that.

Guess that's the only way someone can stay a fan of the (Charlie) Browns after all the crap we've had to endure.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Sort of excited in a different way.

Clearly, Paton killed it and opened the entire room to the possibility that maybe George Paton was the right guy. That speaks well of the process they put in place and the open mindedness of who is in the room.

I think this is what Depo means when he says it's about process over results. Eventually, it should lead to the right result, and in this case, its leading them to a different option, rather than skipping all the steps and giving it to the front runner.
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Absolutely. That “process” is what lead to Stefanski rather than McDaniels, despite McDaniels being a clear favorite of the Haslams. That process is what lead to a thorough vetting of eight different candidates, rather than just picking a guy based off of feel and the fact that he’s a football guy like they did last year.

(Disclaimer: Stefanski was my preferred option, but I think all three finalists for the Browns head coaching job will eventually be terrific head coaches.)
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Me too, even though I should know much, much better than that.

Guess that's the only way someone can stay a fan of the (Charlie) Browns after all the crap we've had to endure.
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It’s an addiction. We can (rightfully so) swear off this team all we want, but you and I both know that we’ll be right back here in September. :chuckle:
 
Marcus said:
Trying to temper my expectations, but it’s awesome to hear that Stefanski is highly regarded by so many reputable football minds in the league.
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Stefanski is a young guy being highly praised by old guys. That's a very good sign.

I just hope that the Haslems are patient with the new HC / GM. Both will be new at that level, new to the Browns, and working to overcome decades of futility, frustration and fuck-ups. They have to execute a culture change -- NEVER an easy thing to do. Being new, they will also make mistakes. The important thing is to support them.

I'd love to see the Haslems on a fishing trip. One suspects that if fish weren't biting within ten minutes they'd cut bait and find another spot.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Sort of excited in a different way.

Clearly, Paton killed it and opened the entire room to the possibility that maybe George Paton was the right guy. That speaks well of the process they put in place and the open mindedness of who is in the room.

I think this is what Depo means when he says it's about process over results. Eventually, it should lead to the right result, and in this case, its leading them to a different option, rather than skipping all the steps and giving it to the front runner.
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Depo seems like the smartest guy in the room even when the room is filled with Ivy League grads.
 
Marcus said:
Absolutely. That “process” is what lead to Stefanski rather than McDaniels, despite McDaniels being a clear favorite of the Haslams. That process is what lead to a thorough vetting of eight different candidates, rather than just picking a guy based off of feel and the fact that he’s a football guy like they did last year.

(Disclaimer: Stefanski was my preferred option, but I think all three finalists for the Browns head coaching job will eventually be terrific head coaches.)
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I was a Stefanski guy too but liked all 3 finalists, but odds are only 1 or 2 of the guys will actually work out. I do think we have been a horrible organization, but we have been unlucky with some of our good hires too. Hue was a good hire at the time, turns out he was one of the worst of all times.
 
2 For The Brew said:
I just hope that the Haslems are patient with the new HC / GM. Both will be new at that level, new to the Browns, and working to overcome decades of futility, frustration and fuck-ups. They have to execute a culture change -- NEVER an easy thing to do. Being new, they will also make mistakes. The important thing is to support them. I'd love to see the Haslems on a fishing trip. One suspects that if fish weren't biting within ten minutes they'd cut bait and find another spot.
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I think this portrayal is accurate overall, but doesn't consider the possibility that the Haslams are learning.

Continuity is good only if you're continuing something worthwhile. Sticking with the wrong people simply to be "stable" is just going to lead to them making more wrong decisions. It makes as much sense as realizing that you're going the wrong way on a road, yet continuing instead of turning around.

If anything, the Haslams were too patient with Hue Jackson, retaining him for the 2018 season, when all evidence screamed that he was a terrible coach. (They were probably sensitive to the criticisms that they had moved too quickly before.) They did fire Freddie after only one season ... but that was after a full season of seeing just how horribly unprepared he was and how incapable he was at leading a team. They wanted to keep Dorsey around, but only in a reduced role, and Dorsey (not unreasonably, if we put ourselves in his shoes) told them no.

In other words, I'm more concerned with their ability to pick the right people, than I am with their capacity to give those people enough time to do their jobs.

My feeling is that Haslam really does not want another round of early-January press conferences for a long time. As long as Stefanski and the GM are appearing competent, and as long as the Browns are competitive and don't look completely unprepared on the field, I suspect they'll get the necessary time.
 
AllforOne said:
I think this portrayal is accurate overall, but doesn't consider the possibility that the Haslams are learning.

Continuity is good only if you're continuing something worthwhile. Sticking with the wrong people simply to be "stable" is just going to lead to them making more wrong decisions. It makes as much sense as realizing that you're going the wrong way on a road, yet continuing instead of turning around.

If anything, the Haslams were too patient with Hue Jackson, retaining him for the 2018 season, when all evidence screamed that he was a terrible coach. (They were probably sensitive to the criticisms that they had moved too quickly before.) They did fire Freddie after only one season ... but that was after a full season of seeing just how horribly unprepared he was and how incapable he was at leading a team. They wanted to keep Dorsey around, but only in a reduced role, and Dorsey (not unreasonably, if we put ourselves in his shoes) told them no.
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The difference between getting an 8 million dollar poison pill in your contract and not getting one
 
AllforOne said:
I think this portrayal is accurate overall, but doesn't consider the possibility that the Haslams are learning.

Continuity is good only if you're continuing something worthwhile. Sticking with the wrong people simply to be "stable" is just going to lead to them making more wrong decisions. It makes as much sense as realizing that you're going the wrong way on a road, yet continuing instead of turning around.

If anything, the Haslams were too patient with Hue Jackson, retaining him for the 2018 season, when all evidence screamed that he was a terrible coach. (They were probably sensitive to the criticisms that they had moved too quickly before.) They did fire Freddie after only one season ... but that was after a full season of seeing just how horribly unprepared he was and how incapable he was at leading a team. They wanted to keep Dorsey around, but only in a reduced role, and Dorsey (not unreasonably, if we put ourselves in his shoes) told them no.

In other words, I'm more concerned with their ability to pick the right people, than I am with their capacity to give those people enough time to do their jobs.

My feeling is that Haslam really does not want another round of early-January press conferences for a long time. As long as Stefanski and the GM are appearing competent, and as long as the Browns are competitive and don't look completely unprepared on the field, I suspect they'll get the necessary time.
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The toughest thing about being an owner is that you have to select the right experts, from among a pool of people who are the most expert in their field in the world, without having any actual expertise yourself. How do you do that? Whose voice are you supposed to trust when you're trying to pick coaches/GM's? Sure, there are structural processes you can follow, but ultimately, the bottom line is that it's like being an English teacher asked to choose which particular design team is the best one to build a spaceship to Mars. You lack the expertise to choose among the experts.

So, it largely becomes trial and error -- picking the people who seem best to you as a layperson, and hopefully being able to reward success. Problem is that we really haven't had enough success to reward, so it's been reboot after reboot.

If there were a bunch of Jimmy's past hires about whom you could say "we let all those guys get away because we didn't give them enough time, and look at all the success they've had since then", it would be easier to condemn him for impatience. But I'm like you -- I think that if these guys show progress, Jimmy will keep them on, and let them do their thing.
 
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