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John Beilein: Continuing his education

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Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%

  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%

  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%

  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%

  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
Comeback kid said:
First day of practice this year Beilein scheduled a two a day practice. After the first practice Love tells Beilein in from of the whole team that if he wants to have a 2nd practice that was ok but he wasn’t going to be there. How do you coach with something like that? No consequence of course. Lost control on day 1.
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And that basically tells me he was in over his head from the very minute he accepted the job.
 
If it's gonna happen (and has seemed like a foregone conclusion for some time that he won't be back next year) then it might as well be now. Even the young guys do not seem to respect Beilein much (Sexton).
 
Deezus said:
Slime ball Gilbert needs to sell the fucking team. He’s the common denominator, here. People liked to blame lebron, but it’s becoming more and more obvious that Lebron willed us to that title and the only reason he’s still not here is the aforementioned common denominator: slime ball Gilbert.

The dude pulled a fast one on Ohio voters with the casinos, fucked over people with predatory loans (pre-2008), And was in on the “sin tax” scam. He’s a shitty person and (despite his willingness to spend) a shitty owner. GTFO.
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Would you rather have this guy?

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I really don't see how Dan Gilbert gets blamed here. He's not at ALL without fault (over all) but in this specific case? What else could he have done? The Cavs needed to have a real system installed to even think about competing. We'll never see another "Basketball Savior" player in our lifetime. I'd have been happy if we got back to late 80s/early 90s Cavs after winning a title. Basically pre-2019 Raptors.

I still think Beilein was a good pick. He knows basketball. Just guess it wasn't meant to be. Sucks, but damn. One day.
 
Dr. Claw said:
I really don't see how Dan Gilbert gets blamed here. He's not at ALL without fault (over all) but in this specific case? What else could he have done? The Cavs needed to have a real system installed to even think about competing. We'll never see another "Basketball Savior" player in our lifetime. I'd have been happy if we got back to late 80s/early 90s Cavs after winning a title. Basically pre-2019 Raptors.

I still think Beilein was a good pick. He knows basketball. Just guess it wasn't meant to be. Sucks, but damn. One day.
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After the shitshow with Blatt not relating to his players, I couldn't believe they went with another no NBA experience coach. If your coach has a bigger ego than your players, it's never going to work. But oh well guys, we've got JB Bickerstaff! We'll see how many want him gone by the end of the season.
 
I agree with everything @I'mWithDan said however Dan Gilbert's role has to be highlighted as well. He's hired the same number of coaches as Haslem since 2013 and the vision and direction of an organization starts from the top. Does he want to win or does he want to get the credit when the Cavs don't look like an abomination without LeBron for once. If he wants to win then he hires an experienced President/VP of basketball ops like you mentioned and get out of the way. It's pretty clear this was too big of a jump for Koby Altman.

Man Called X said:
And that basically tells me he was in over his head from the very minute he accepted the job.
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Was he in over his head or were the odds stacked against him? Sadly, you were right about Beilein not working out but I would argue that if the same awful parameters were in place (FO + players) the results wouldn't change for any coach. Sure, maybe a bit more harmony (avoid the mean girls rendition by alleged pros) but the talent on hand won't help with results on the courts. Addition by subtraction was their only job and they failed miserably and are now looking for yet another coach.
 
Man Called X said:
And that basically tells me he was in over his head from the very minute he accepted the job.
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I’m not sure why that shows he was way over his head? If anything it shows what a poor decision the FO made in resigning Love and then not trading him for whatever before making the transition to the new culture they had in their minds. Would also think it was more of Love being A complete POS petulant child more than anything else and him poisoning the kinds of everyone else. Bad apple spoils the whole bunch!
 
LeeBuckeye said:
I agree with everything @I'mWithDan said however Dan Gilbert's role has to be highlighted as well. He's hired the same number of coaches as Haslem since 2013 and the vision and direction of an organization starts from the top. Does he want to win or does he want to get the credit when the Cavs don't look like an abomination without LeBron for once. If he wants to win then he hires an experienced President/VP of basketball ops like you mentioned and get out of the way. It's pretty clear this was too big of a jump for Koby Altman.



Was he in over his head or were the odds stacked against him? Sadly, you were right about Beilein not working out but I would argue that if the same awful parameters were in place (FO + players) the results wouldn't change for any coach. Sure, maybe a bit more harmony (avoid the mean girls rendition by alleged pros) but the talent on hand won't help with results on the courts. Addition by subtraction was their only job and they failed miserably and are now looking for yet another coach.
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Calling for 2adays on the very first day of practice tells me he was clearly in over his head. That's some awful ego management on day 1. It was doomed to happen.

Part of being a leader is being able to adapt your leadership for those under you. You weren't going to get away with authoritarian coaching like you could in college. Takes some awful hubris to believe you could pull it off in the pros. There wasn't one aspect of this hire that made any sense, and I said as much when it happened. It's okay, I'm sure we'll fail miserably on our next coaching hire in 2-3 years.
 
I'mWithDan said:
A terrible roster, a long rebuild and we can a guy after months. That just isn't having a plan, as an organization.

The reasons you hired someone like Belein 6 months ago cannot have realistically changed to the point where it should end. I suppose it is being framed as him possibly walking away but still, in a good organization, someone would be reminding him why he took the job, reminding him of the timeline in place, reminding him of a slew of other things to try to get him back on board the ship.

If that isn't happening, it honestly strikes me as terrible leadership and a lack of a plan / strategic vision. I really think the last straw for Belein was probably keeping the TT's and Love's of the world around. If players / agents / or anyone associated with them are actively sabotaging the guy you brought in to develop the players and culture, then you get rid of them. The fact that the FO didn't prioritize ushering those guys out, even for nothing, tells you all you need to know IMO. We are not picking sides with a roster that will get us nowhere. The easiest time to take a coaches side is when the players aren't good or are not in any of your long term plans....the fact that we can't even do that should be incredibly worrisome IMO. We have so little leadership that we can't even navigate player and coach dynamics that are on the easy end of the spectrum. Imagine if we had hard problems.
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Bingo! Like I said before the lazy Vets won. The fucked up thing is they aren't part of the future core whatever that is. I don't know if JB is a good NBA level coach but the F/O did everything possible to sabotage him. You simple can't have you players going against your HC and leaking shit like it's the Titantic. Those bums should have been shipped out the summer LBJ left.
 
Szuch77 said:
I’m not sure why that shows he was way over his head? If anything it shows what a poor decision the FO made in resigning Love and then not trading him for whatever before making the transition to the new culture they had in their minds. Would also think it was more of Love being A complete POS petulant child more than anything else and him poisoning the kinds of everyone else. Bad apple spoils the whole bunch!
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Coming in swinging his dick around on day 1 is certainly not how you endear yourself to people that work underneath you.
 
Deezus said:
Slime ball Gilbert needs to sell the fucking team. He’s the common denominator, here. People liked to blame lebron, but it’s becoming more and more obvious that Lebron willed us to that title and the only reason he’s still not here is the aforementioned common denominator: slime ball Gilbert.

The dude pulled a fast one on Ohio voters with the casinos, fucked over people with predatory loans (pre-2008), And was in on the “sin tax” scam. He’s a shitty person and (despite his willingness to spend) a shitty owner. GTFO.
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The Sin tax is infuriating. It's another reason I won't go Jacobs field. I paid for the damn thing but I can't smoke anywhere when it's outside and opened air.
 
Man Called X said:
Coming in swinging his dick around on day 1 is certainly not how you endear yourself to people that work underneath you.
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I mean, I get what ur saying to an extant, but I guess I would see it not as an ego play and more as an eagerness to get started in installing his structure as well as getting to know the guys.He comes across as a Sexton in the coach ranks. Tireless worker and wanted to get at it all the time. Clearly didn’t come close to working or meshing with the team. Sucks we have to this again and again and again!!
 
2 For The Brew said:
Must be awful for you to have to converse with delusional people.
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Did I hurt your feelings by badmouthing the standard RCF GroupThink? It's the same thing every hiring, signing, etc. 80% of the forum drinks the Kool-Aid, comes up with a million reasons why it's going to be great. If anyone has a dissenting opinion, they are ridiculed and lambasted until they stop posting. When the "I Told You So" start coming out, it's time to double down on the groupthink so as not to feel inferior for GroupThink getting it wrong.

Guess what, you were wrong. The majority of the forum was wrong. It was a shitshow in the making. Sorry I don't keep rose colored glasses on for everything this joke of a franchise does.
 
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