John Beilein: Continuing his education

[CalBuckeyeRob]

FYI Koby has no choice but to say he doesn’t care about winning because he has been GM for almost three years now and has put together a terrible team that has a very hard time winning. He needs to sell everyone on the idea that we are on a ten year plan for relevance if he wants to keep his job

Since losing LeBron the team has had the 8th pick and the 5th pick. Not enough for any team to replace one of the greatest of all time. It is going to be a long time to relevance unless they get super lucky in the draft.

 

[cavsfever]

yeah, well Koby and Dan had something to do with losing Lebron. Everybody here just memory holes how we lost one of the greatest players ever, accepting that it was "inevitable" rather than related to our crap front office. I guess I understand why, it's painful to think about.

 

[ansatsusha80]

I don't want to directly respond here but just want to make a general comment.....

Having the highest paid, probably most looked up to player immediately not respect the coach is a problem. Some people are saying that is Belein's problem. Some people are saying that is Love's problem. I think it is entirely besides the point.

If you are starting over and you have deemed someone worthy to usher in a rebuild, the front office has to be on the same page with that person. If they are, someone like Love just gets jettisoned. That is just the reality.

Maybe Belein's style doesn't work, maybe his attitude doesn't work but if you lay a 5 year contract on his desk and a 31 year old vet with a checkered injury history and no real long term future with the team starts acting up, that guy just has to be moved. When a guy like that stays, it's just all bets are off.....the chance of that coach succeeding goes way down IMO. Blatt lost his clash because LeBron was on the other end of the line.......Belein just should not have lost his clash to someone like Love. A good organization just cycles that player out and moves on.....and then there's a closed door meeting saying "This is our coach.....we aren't going to have two a days and tough practices forever but we will have them for some time. If you don't want to be here, go knock on Koby's door and we'll try to send you elsewhere in a trade or release you."

The team owed Belein that IMO.....when they didn't give it to him, I'm sure the locker room went south real quick. When the highest paid player just wants to practice on his own terms and go live his life, that isn't a recipe for success, especially in a rebuilding and player development scenario. Once someone like that tunes a coach out and he's allowed to stay, the coach might as well just go....and that is probably how Belein felt. I can't imagine he didn't constantly ask to cycle those guys out......and if your GM isn't backing you up, just go back to college and make millions of dollars.

This is,why I laugh at the national media that say Love is the best player on the team. He's a borderline star in the league that's always injured,can't defend to save his life,never really show up in games and acts like he's a superstar in the league.

He should be thankful that Lebron wanted him as a teammate because I would have kept him rotten in Minnesota.

 

[ansatsusha80]

yeah, well Koby and Dan had something to do with losing Lebron. Everybody here just memory holes how we lost one of the greatest players ever, accepting that it was "inevitable" rather than related to our crap front office. I guess I understand why, it's painful to think about.

I've always say the owner was happy with winning that one title. He didn't try to upgrade the roster to keep the best player the organization's history happy after winning the title.

 

[daddywags]

I think "getting rid of Love" is easier said than done. We'd have to eat a serious poison pill to do it IMO.

 

[Alec]

Did I hurt your feelings by badmouthing the standard RCF GroupThink? It's the same thing every hiring, signing, etc. 80% of the forum drinks the Kool-Aid, comes up with a million reasons why it's going to be great. If anyone has a dissenting opinion, they are ridiculed and lambasted until they stop posting. When the "I Told You So" start coming out, it's time to double down on the groupthink so as not to feel inferior for GroupThink getting it wrong.

Guess what, you were wrong. The majority of the forum was wrong. It was a shitshow in the making. Sorry I don't keep rose colored glasses on for everything this joke of a franchise does.

Nailed it

 

[inliner311]

First day of practice this year Beilein scheduled a two a day practice. After the first practice Love tells Beilein in front of the whole team that if he wants to have a 2nd practice that was ok but he wasn’t going to be there. How do you coach with something like that? No consequence of course. Lost control on day 1.

I saw a random person on twitter say that Beilein did 2 a days for summer league which might have lead to Windler's injury. Maybe someone can confirm the 2 a days in summer league.

I'm just surprised after Blatt that Beilein wasn't warned to ease into trying to change the culture and not to try to change everything at once. They clearly could have given the schedule that this team was use to with Lue and Larry Drew. Jumping into the season with 2 a days and long film sessions was going to create issues from the jump.

 

[Alec]

Someone made an error in judgment. Either Dan, the FO, or Beilein. Probably all three. The FO screwed up by emboldening his methods and leading him to believe it would work in the NBA. Probably Koby. Hence Koby rushing to talk players down and act as an intermediary.

I’ll always respect Beilein for his coaching ability and his love for the game. He wants to do things “the right way” but as others have pointed out, the league simply isn’t about coaches developing players. Players develop players. Talent wins in this league. We have little to none. That’s not Beilein’s fault. I feel bad for him honestly. But there’s a spot in NCAA men’s BB if he ever wants it.

 

[Lumthemad]

I know this is an overly easy statement to make but sometimes things don't work out. They've made a few outside the box hires and they've proven to be not what was needed. I like the way this coaching staff was stacked with youngers guys on the rise and Coach B. Sadly, I think various issues arose and it caused a mass deflation. Love not respecting him was a hug cog in all of that because the players respect Love.

I am a huge believer there are not a lot of coaches who are game changers in this league, so perhaps JB and the the rest of the crew can help get these guys on a better page?

Beilein has my respect as a college coach and I am glad he gave it a shot. I think our fan base tends to want to find a scapegoat and sometimes it just is various reasons. Why do the Kings suck? Is it Waltons fault? Don't know. Maybe? It is a tough league to win in. How much credit does Vogel get for LA? I just want the shit show to end.

 

[Alec]

Coaching is almost never the difference between winning teams and losing teams. How much did Phil Jackson have to do with the actual games during his 10 rings?

 

[bboy]

I've always say the owner was happy with winning that one title. He didn't try to upgrade the roster to keep the best player the organization's history happy after winning the title.

i disagree...once GS got KD we were screwed...we didn’t have the cap to counter that move...Kyrie also put us in a terrible position...Gilbert while not perfect certainly wasn’t happy with one title in my view

 

[RedBlackAttack]

yeah, well Koby and Dan had something to do with losing Lebron. Everybody here just memory holes how we lost one of the greatest players ever, accepting that it was "inevitable" rather than related to our crap front office. I guess I understand why, it's painful to think about.

Meh, have to disagree with this take. Why did he leave Miami? They have a pretty great front office, but -- as is his cycle -- LeBron stayed for four years, the Heat sold out to win in those four years, and once James looked at the landscape and saw how little was left standing after you tear through all of your assets and dedicate every dollar to winning from 2010-14 ... well, then -- all of a sudden he was ready to "come home" and retire here (that was the implication).

Meanwhile the Cavs, who either by pure happenstance or in a calculated move, spent those four years cutting salary and accumulating assets were well positioned to give LeBron another good four year run of tearing through all assets, as happened in Miami, as happened in the first stint in Cleveland, as will happen in LA if LeBron outlasts AD in terms of his seemingly endless greatness.

In other words, I'd blame the Cavs for being an inept organization if Griff hadn't burned through all assets and cap space to get better today (he did) or if LeBron didn't have a track record of doing exactly that and then bolting at other, better organizations (he did). This was always going to be a relatively short stay unless Kyrie ended up staying and being the greatest PG of all-time or something completely unpredictable.

Just my take.

 

[rcj47]

I think Sextons comments about the coach the other day were the straw that broke the camels back.

Yeah it kind of sounds like the derogatory college coach angle from earlier in the season has rubbed off on the younger players.

 

[inliner311]

Someone made an error in judgment. Either Dan, the FO, or Beilein. Probably all three. The FO screwed up by emboldening his methods and leading him to believe it would work in the NBA. Probably Koby. Hence Koby rushing to talk players down and act as an intermediary.

I’ll always respect Beilein for his coaching ability and his love for the game. He wants to do things “the right way” but as others have pointed out, the league simply isn’t about coaches developing players. Players develop players. Talent wins in this league. We have little to none. That’s not Beilein’s fault. I feel bad for him honestly. But there’s a spot in NCAA men’s BB if he ever wants it.

I think NBA coaches usually understand certain guys will take to coaching and others are just happy with what they are. I think Love is one of those guys who is just happy with where his game is and now it's about trying to keep his body right to prolong his career.

A one size fits all mentality doesn't seem to work in the NBA. Beilein probably could have focused his energy on all the young guys and Sexton probably would have taken it all in while asking for more. Nance seem to be on board to trying to develop his game more and has made some real progress under Beilein.

I think TT was on board with expanding his game and Beilein lost him by yelling at him to hustle during that game that TT eventually yelled at Beilein on the court.

Beilein would have been better off if he just thought of himself as the coach who was brought in to develop the young players and the vets were there to keep the ship going until their replacements came along. The core of the young guys would have easily bought in and the vets might have brought in eventually if things were optional instead of mandatory.

 

[inliner311]

Yeah it kind of sounds like the derogatory college coach angle from earlier in the season has rubbed off on the younger players.

Are we sure that Sexton and the other players didn't know that Beilein might be gone over the all-star break? Beilein might have told some of the players directly or it had gotten around the organization that Beilein was thinking about leaving. His lukewarm response could just be directly related to that. Maybe he didn't want to spill the beans on it but also didn't want to come off like a fool talking great about a coach that could be leaving.