John Beilein: Continuing his education

[The Oi]

Sometimes it is less what you say than how you say it.

Right.

Like for years I’ve been calling @The Human Q-Tip a creepy old man who listens to shitty music. But he likes some of my posts because we have just enough in common that he tolerates my punk ass.

 

[AllforOne]

Yeah this forum is super weird and is full of sunshine pumpers. For example I called out the Dolans for being the cheap assholes they are and the baseball nerds defended them like it was a privilege they own the Indians and cut payroll to derail the team chances at a World Series.

If this forum is super weird, then why do you keep posting here? Or are you saying that you're super weird as well?

And why is positivity or optimism super weird anyway? What kind of miserable life do you have to be leading to take a hobby (and that's all pro sports are) and constantly look at it as negatively/critically as possible? You do understand that optimistic people achieve way more in life and enjoy their lives more than pessimists, yes? (Incidentally: pessimists never call themselves "pessimists"; they always say they are "realists" or "objective" or "not drinking the Kool-Aid.")

BTW: you were wrong about the Dolans on the Tribe forum, and you're wrong about them here as well (though I'll save any further comments on that topic for the MLB forum, where it belongs).

 

[MrX]

Even then the Pistons had multiple perennial all stars on the roster

Absolutely, Especially the 89-90 champions. It's so difficult to compare today's era with any before. The refs benefit the offense more then ever. We all remember the defense wins championships. I'm not sure I can say that anymore.

The 2004 pistons took out Shaq and Kobe 4-1 for the championship. LeBron has played both era's and took out the pistons in 2007 but without Ben Wallace and a 3 year older team. This gives us some perception without any clear answer to kilgore's post.

I think the most shocking is the best offense in 2004 would be the worst offense in 2020. The best offense in the east averaged 98 points a game.

 

[weepinwillow]

Since losing LeBron the team has had the 8th pick and the 5th pick. Not enough for any team to replace one of the greatest of all time. It is going to be a long time to relevance unless they get super lucky in the draft.

There are tons of examples of finding star level players up and down a draft board any given year. The real key seems to be having the talent in the front office and the culture in the lockerroom/on the floor.

 

[inliner311]

This is what I have a issue with..not with what you said but the context. Even though these players are at the highest level,it should never make them above coaching. While I agree that JB could have waited for a TO , that doesn't always happen ,even with the best coaches.
Coaches do yell in game, we've seen them all do it. Now if they constantly do it , in this era it does create issues.
But the thought here is that the Cavs aren't a good team, no where near being good, and they suck at a lot of things.
They don't need to be coddled or pampered ..these guys need to know they need to better at everything.Now a lot has to do with him being a rookie HC just coming out of college.
It seems to work with teams with little dysfunction but the Cavs are there. They don't want to buy into anyone which is odd to me since they are a bottom feeder.

I agree that players should respect coaching more and it is a problem with this era of the NBA. I do think NBA players really only respect NBA accomplishments. It happen with Blatt and now with Beilein.

I do think Beilein had a better approach than Blatt but it's hard to see vet NBA players buying into a coach that hasn't been in the NBA before. Having players that won an NBA championship didn't help the situation.
I think it has to be timed well to bring in a non-nba HC coach and the roster need to be young enough but we'll rounded enough for them to buy in while having a chance to be competitive.

 

[weepinwillow]

guys coming from college need to know what 82 games is like.. it's not like what you have in college, where there's time to prep for each game. You have to take games seriously while at the same time not making every game the must-win of the season. It's a very tough balance.

I'd be willing to put money that Beilien would likely be a solid coach in the playoffs with equally matched squads. It's the getting to the playoffs part... and of course, this squad (which isn't built to win 30 games much less the ~41 needed for a spot in the east)

 

[Bucketz]

Since losing LeBron the team has had the 8th pick and the 5th pick. Not enough for any team to replace one of the greatest of all time. It is going to be a long time to relevance unless they get super lucky in the draft.

I know this isn’t news, but the new draft system really hurts teams that are not intentionally tanking but just suck. I would not start counting our chickens yet. Pray we don’t fall to far. I’m still in shock the lakers jumped us last year. VERY hard for me to believe that “luck” landed AD in LA. It fails the eye test miserably and stinks of rotten fish penises.

 

[Bucketz]

I’m honestly happy JB is self aware enough to know the NBA isn’t for him. It’s not a bad thing. I just hope he quits before the team comes back from all star break. Makes no sense to keep someone that doesn’t want to be kept.

That Koby extension looks extra shaky right now too. The Coach he hired couldn’t last a whole season.

Are we ready to say that Belein’s “failure” is a victim of the NBA and not the Cavs org?

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Once again, as Butch Coolidge said to Marsellus: "What now?"

 

[rastamon87]

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All-Star Break

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All Star Break - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

Not a great look for the Cavs as an organization... Looks like it's going to be Bickerstaff (not really excited about that) or some desperate guy who wants a HC gig... No established HC or soughtafter guy will come to the Cavs until they start showing they are not a toxic mess...

 

[Kizzle]

The common denominator are players that have been here and the ownership.

danGilbert must be an asshole

 

[MarkPriceFan]

We really shoulda found some kind of takers for TT and Love. These guys have not helped the young players and instead are poisoning their minds.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All-Star Break

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All Star Break - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

Not a great look for the Cavs as an organization... Looks like it's going to be Bickerstaff (not really excited about that) or some desperate guy who wants a HC gig... No established HC or soughtafter guy will come to the Cavs until they start showing they are not a toxic mess...

I'll do it.

 

[Green Lantern]

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All-Star Break

Larry Drew Wanted To Quit As Head Coach Of Cavaliers During 2019 All Star Break - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

Not a great look for the Cavs as an organization... Looks like it's going to be Bickerstaff (not really excited about that) or some desperate guy who wants a HC gig... No established HC or soughtafter guy will come to the Cavs until they start showing they are not a toxic mess...

You said it more directly than i did. Too many of these guys want to quit well before it's time.I thought Drew did well when Lue was out with his illness and thought it would carry over.
It didn't.
And I'll keep saying it..only 3 of these players have won a ring..the rest haven't sniffed anything..yet they have this ego that they know whats better..if they truly did, they won't be at the bottom of the league.

 

[Randolphkeys]

There is a deeper fundamental issue than just this franchise. The system that was put into place to prepare young players for the NBA broke back in the early 1990s.

The AAU basketball circuit is fueled by shoe company money, and took control of youth basketball away from the schools. Up to that point, schools used athletics as a motivational tool to create an improved work ethic in it's students. The AAU system has no concern about this mission, instead creating a year round specialized series of tournaments that prioritize constant winning over development of skills. Additionally, the system creates a culture where certain "meal ticket" athletes just do that thing which they are good at without learning a team oriented style. And, being a system in which adults bend over backwards to attract a few three star recruits into their program going back to middle school, the "meal ticket" athletes become entitled in their role. If you don't like a coach challenging you to change, you switch AAU teams because there is a line of adults who want to steal you away.

This is why you turn on the Cavs to see a pair of individually gifted scorers in Garland and Sexton who need two or three years of real coaching to be anything more than a one on one scoring threat who pounds the air out of the ball.

The Cavaliers tried to install a coach who has a track record developing players within a system that develops lower-tier talent. Unfortunately, the NBA is where all the entitled "meal ticket" players skip ahead and avoid coaches like Beilein. The intention was worth a try, but it doesn't erase three decades of ruining American youth athletics.