John Beilein: Continuing his education

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I’m honestly happy JB is self aware enough to know the NBA isn’t for him. It’s not a bad thing. I just hope he quits before the team comes back from all star break. Makes no sense to keep someone that doesn’t want to be kept.

That Koby extension looks extra shaky right now too. The Coach he hired couldn’t last a whole season.

 

[rcj47]

I think NBA coaches usually understand certain guys will take to coaching and others are just happy with what they are. I think Love is one of those guys who is just happy with where his game is and now it's about trying to keep his body right to prolong his career.

A one size fits all mentality doesn't seem to work in the NBA. Beilein probably could have focused his energy on all the young guys and Sexton probably would have taken it all in while asking for more. Nance seem to be on board to trying to develop his game more and has made some real progress under Beilein.

I think TT was on board with expanding his game and Beilein lost him by yelling at him to hustle during that game that TT eventually yelled at Beilein on the court.

Beilein would have been better off if he just thought of himself as the coach who was brought in to develop the young players and the vets were there to keep the ship going until their replacements came along. The core of the young guys would have easily bought in and the vets might have brought in eventually if things were optional instead of mandatory.

That sounds good but how does the coach then get on say Garland for loafing when he sees Thompson get in his coach's face for being challenged on the same thing? I know what you're saying but with hindsight they should have just traded Thompson and Love.

It sounded good to have vets on the floor with these younger players but apparently they can't stand it. I thought the team actually played pretty good to start the season and then all of a sudden everybody's mad, leaks left and right (all making Beilein look like he's suddenly a clueless dumbass) and the play took a quick downward spiral. There have been quite a few winnable games that they somehow manged to lose in the last few minutes also.

Thompson was in a free agent year so you know he was going to want to put up numbers for his next deal and he was doing that but still gets mad at the coach. Love? This guy has always been pretty easy going and professional even with the James drama years and he turns into some kind of spoilt baby this year if all these comments are true. I just don't get it and it really ruins my interest in the team and players.

 

[rcj47]

I saw a random person on twitter say that Beilein did 2 a days for summer league which might have lead to Windler's injury. Maybe someone can confirm the 2 a days in summer league.

I'm just surprised after Blatt that Beilein wasn't warned to ease into trying to change the culture and not to try to change everything at once. They clearly could have given the schedule that this team was use to with Lue and Larry Drew. Jumping into the season with 2 a days and long film sessions was going to create issues from the jump.

I thought I read something right after the Windler injury was announced in preseason that it happened in the informal practicing and working out the players got together on. Either way, the Cavs medical people mismanaged that injury. It was either an actual stress fracture that was misdiagnosed to a lesser type or they brought him back with too much too soon.

 

[rcj47]

Someone made an error in judgment. Either Dan, the FO, or Beilein. Probably all three. The FO screwed up by emboldening his methods and leading him to believe it would work in the NBA. Probably Koby. Hence Koby rushing to talk players down and act as an intermediary.

I’ll always respect Beilein for his coaching ability and his love for the game. He wants to do things “the right way” but as others have pointed out, the league simply isn’t about coaches developing players. Players develop players. Talent wins in this league. We have little to none. That’s not Beilein’s fault. I feel bad for him honestly. But there’s a spot in NCAA men’s BB if he ever wants it.

Koby Altman comes off like a marketing schmuck. I can see him blowing smoke up everyone's asses at the same time and here we are.

 

[cabs]

I just don't get it and it really ruins my interest in the team and players.

Yeah this is starting to become an issue for me, after both recent Knicks losses I didn't bother watch the following games. I have no confidence that the next coach they pick will last more than 2 seasons.

 

[inliner311]

That sounds good but how does the coach then get on say Garland for loafing when he sees Thompson get in his coach's face for being challenged on the same thing? I know what you're saying but with hindsight they should have just traded Thompson and Love.

It sounded good to have vets on the floor with these younger players but apparently they can't stand it. I thought the team actually played pretty good to start the season and then all of a sudden everybody's mad, leaks left and right (all making Beilein look like he's suddenly a clueless dumbass) and the play took a quick downward spiral. There have been quite a few winnable games that they somehow manged to lose in the last few minutes also.

Thompson was in a free agent year so you know he was going to want to put up numbers for his next deal and he was doing that but still gets mad at the coach. Love? This guy has always been pretty easy going and professional even with the James drama years and he turns into some kind of spoilt baby this year if all these comments are true. I just don't get it and it really ruins my interest in the team and players.

I said this when TT yelled at Beilein, that Beilein needed to pick his battles. TT is a hustle guy and has always shown a good amount of energy when he is on the court. He could have waited till film session or a timeout just to bring up that he didn't get back. Yelling in game was going to cause a reaction or eventually guys would just tune him out.
At the end of the day, I think Beilein stressed himself out trying to get everything right instead of trying to focus on things that he could actually change.

 

[BiGZD]

Did I hurt your feelings by badmouthing the standard RCF GroupThink? It's the same thing every hiring, signing, etc. 80% of the forum drinks the Kool-Aid, comes up with a million reasons why it's going to be great. If anyone has a dissenting opinion, they are ridiculed and lambasted until they stop posting. When the "I Told You So" start coming out, it's time to double down on the groupthink so as not to feel inferior for GroupThink getting it wrong.

Guess what, you were wrong. The majority of the forum was wrong. It was a shitshow in the making. Sorry I don't keep rose colored glasses on for everything this joke of a franchise does.

Yeah this forum is super weird and is full of sunshine pumpers. For example I called out the Dolans for being the cheap assholes they are and the baseball nerds defended them like it was a privilege they own the Indians and cut payroll to derail the team chances at a World Series.

 

[sportscoach]

Yeah this forum is super weird and is full of sunshine pumpers. For example I called out the Dolans for being the cheap assholes they are and the baseball nerds defended them like it was a privilege they own the Indians and cut payroll to derail the team chances at a World Series.

Dolans arent the problem, MLBs funding system is the problem at the end of the day, which is what most of us were saying to be honest. Also you cannot spend 25% of your payroll on one person and expect to win, plus lose a minority investor... but that topic is for another forum.

Honestly to me I think the group trust all liked the hire since they projected a young roster who wasn't expected to win, but needed someone to coach and develop so one of the college's best coaches made since plus we got a well respected assistant coach who could take over in due time as well. No one really saw him having this much trouble adjusting to the NBA since he has been coaching so long. It feels like to me the culture in the NBA isn't friendly towards old school coaches and he is one of them hence why he is failing. The NBA isn't always a team first atmosphere and very few coaches can truly pull off getting that through to these guys.

Honestly I would rather stay positive than just sit and spout negativity.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

I've always say the owner was happy with winning that one title. He didn't try to upgrade the roster to keep the best player the organization's history happy after winning the title.

Our roster in 2016-17 was one of the best ever.

The problem was that GSW got Durant.

In any other universe, we repeat as champions.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

I agree with this 100%, but that is Also why you need two or 3 elite players to win a title. For teams to have a chance sansthat many elite players, it makes sense to build a structure/culture that focuses more on scheme, fundamentals, and personality of player to go along with the first two. But it seems the majority of players and teams are fine with putting on a good show, having decent seasons and getting paid. Nothing more nothing less. The NBA truly seems to come the closes to the WWE than all professional sports leagues in that aspect. Kind of sad really. Think I need to take the approach some here have done and slowly remove myself from being a fan.

Insofar as it is still possible, the model for the Cavs has to be the Pistons, with their championships in the last 30 years. They had solid players and great coaching. Not multiple generational talents. Of course, LeBron may have changed all that by building super-teams. Parity in the NBA may be ruined forever. Those Piston teams may have never won, in this era.

 

[amil99]

Insofar as it is still possible, the model for the Cavs has to be the Pistons, with their championships in the last 30 years. They had solid players and great coaching. Not multiple generational talents. Of course, LeBron may have changed all that by building super-teams. Parity in the NBA may be ruined forever. Those Piston teams may have never won, in this era.

Even then the Pistons had multiple perennial all stars on the roster

 

[The Oi]

And only one other person than myself called it an F. Time to change the name from RealCavsFans to DelusionalCavsFans.

I tried to change mine a few days ago but the shitty voting rules wouldnt allow it.

 

[Mr. Orange]

If you really want to puke, go look at the Freddie Kitchens votes...

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yeah this forum is super weird and is full of sunshine pumpers. For example I called out the Dolans for being the cheap assholes they are and the baseball nerds defended them like it was a privilege they own the Indians and cut payroll to derail the team chances at a World Series.

Sometimes it is less what you say than how you say it.

 

[Green Lantern]

I said this when TT yelled at Beilein, that Beilein needed to pick his battles. TT is a hustle guy and has always shown a good amount of energy when he is on the court. He could have waited till film session or a timeout just to bring up that he didn't get back. Yelling in game was going to cause a reaction or eventually guys would just tune him out.
At the end of the day, I think Beilein stressed himself out trying to get everything right instead of trying to focus on things that he could actually change.

This is what I have a issue with..not with what you said but the context. Even though these players are at the highest level,it should never make them above coaching. While I agree that JB could have waited for a TO , that doesn't always happen ,even with the best coaches.
Coaches do yell in game, we've seen them all do it. Now if they constantly do it , in this era it does create issues.
But the thought here is that the Cavs aren't a good team, no where near being good, and they suck at a lot of things.
They don't need to be coddled or pampered ..these guys need to know they need to better at everything.Now a lot has to do with him being a rookie HC just coming out of college.
It seems to work with teams with little dysfunction but the Cavs are there. They don't want to buy into anyone which is odd to me since they are a bottom feeder.