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Had the chance to pull down an additional 20 prospects here......a few second rounders who jump out as undervalued:

Desmond Bane
Payton Pritchard
Elijah Hughes

Those 3 sneak in to the top 1/3 of prospects for me......just on a pure calculation basis. It sees those three as plus values in the second round. Bane and Pritchard it ranks as traditional 1st round picks, even dinging them for being older. They both have positive value in the 3 calculations my stuff spits out, making them higher than average success candidates. Hughes it likes as a projectable shooter with 3&D potential.



 
I'mWithDan said:
Had the chance to pull down an additional 20 prospects here......a few second rounders who jump out as undervalued:

Desmond Bane
Payton Pritchard
Elijah Hughes

Those 3 sneak in to the top 1/3 of prospects for me......just on a pure calculation basis. It sees those three as plus values in the second round. Bane and Pritchard it ranks as traditional 1st round picks, even dinging them for being older. They both have positive value in the 3 calculations my stuff spits out, making them higher than average success candidates. Hughes it likes as a projectable shooter with 3&D potential.



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I've seen mocks with Bane drafted in the late first by a contender because he can help right away. He is built powerfully for man defense and has developed into an accurate shooter off the dribble and off the bounce. I don't mind a junior or a senior if it's the late 1st or second round, because at that point a team is probably looking for bench depth. He's got some seriously short arms for his body, I'll be interested to see his wingspan when the combine rolls around. I don't see a great fit for the Cavs if they sneak into the second because of those alligator arms.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Had the chance to pull down an additional 20 prospects here......a few second rounders who jump out as undervalued:

Desmond Bane
Payton Pritchard
Elijah Hughes

Those 3 sneak in to the top 1/3 of prospects for me......just on a pure calculation basis. It sees those three as plus values in the second round. Bane and Pritchard it ranks as traditional 1st round picks, even dinging them for being older. They both have positive value in the 3 calculations my stuff spits out, making them higher than average success candidates. Hughes it likes as a projectable shooter with 3&D potential.



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I like Bane and Pritchard in the late first or early second. Hughes I'm less sure of. He can do all the roleplayer things at an adequate level offensively, but (in contrast to Bane) I don't see a lot of evidence that he's going to be a useful defensive player.

Randolphkeys said:
I've seen mocks with Bane drafted in the late first by a contender because he can help right away. He is built powerfully for man defense and has developed into an accurate shooter off the dribble and off the bounce. I don't mind a junior or a senior if it's the late 1st or second round, because at that point a team is probably looking for bench depth. He's got some seriously short arms for his body, I'll be interested to see his wingspan when the combine rolls around. I don't see a great fit for the Cavs if they sneak into the second because of those alligator arms.
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Kenrich Williams a good comp? He's managed to carve out a rotation spot, and would actually have some value if he could hit a 3.
 
Nathan S said:
I like Bane and Pritchard in the late first or early second. Hughes I'm less sure of. He can do all the roleplayer things at an adequate level offensively, but (in contrast to Bane) I don't see a lot of evidence that he's going to be a useful defensive player.
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Yeah, the Cuse guys are always tough.....but I think case for Hughes is in his offensive synergy data.....he grades out as excellent in spot up and transition ........and the arc of his FT%, combined with his 3PT volume intimates he's a pretty good bet to be an NBA shooter. His shot charts re: range are also excellent. He was logged taking 100+ NBA 3's and shot nearly 40%. So he really does have a lot of gravity on the perimeter.

His percentages were really drug down by shot selection, so it is also an exercise in getting him away from ISO shooting to some degree.....or at least difficult ISO shooting. He honestly reminds me a lot of JR Smith when I watch him.....just his movement, shot selection and shot difficulty.

Defense.....I kind of ignore it and roll the dice.....just seeing his size, shooting and value off the ball. He's not a slam dunk but relative to the other second rounders, he seems to have a very clearly defined set of offensive NBA skills.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Yeah, the Cuse guys are always tough.....but I think case for Hughes is in his offensive synergy data.....he grades out as an excellent spot up and transition ........and the arc of his FT%, combined with his 3PT volume intimates he's a pretty good bet to be an NBA shooter. His shot charts re: range are also excellent. He was logged taking 100+ NBA 3's and shot nearly 40%. So he really does have a lot of gravity on the perimeter.

His percentages were really drug down by shot selection, so it is also an exercise in getting him away from ISO shooting to some degree.....or at least difficult ISO shooting. He honestly reminds me a lot of JR Smith when I watch him.....just his movement, shot selection and shot difficulty.

Defense.....I kind of ignore it and roll the dice.....just seeing his size, shooting and value off the ball. He's not a slam dunk but relative to the other second rounders, he seems to have a very clearly defined set of offensive NBA skills.
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Is there a reason I should prefer him to Alexander? My draft rater sees them as equally questionable defenders, but Alexander's the better shooter. I guess theoretically Hughes has an edge physically, but in practice he doesn't seem to bring much physicality to the table.
 
Nathan S said:
Is there a reason I should prefer him to Alexander? My draft rater sees them as equally questionable defenders, but Alexander's the better shooter. I guess theoretically Hughes has an edge physically, but in practice he doesn't seem to bring much physicality to the table.
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For me, no. Alexander shows the ability to shoot across the spectrum (off the dribble, spot up, transition, etc.) and he's an incredibly smart player. I just think Alexander's ability to get his own shot off is more valuable......but Hughes is a certainly a more physically imposing player and better athlete. He has plays where you will say "damn" on defense.....but he also drifts a lot and can lose his man. I think Hughes can succeed as a rotational piece on a good team, similar to a role JR carved out with us.....he may just wash out on a bad team, where he's given too much freedom and isn't being held as accountable on defense. I think Alexander can succeed in either scenario (good or bad team), as a valuable rotational player.
 
Nathan S said:
Kenrich Williams a good comp? He's managed to carve out a rotation spot, and would actually have some value if he could hit a 3.
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Williams has small forward length. I was thinking Bane's body and play is a lot like Gary Harris, but less explosive and athletic.
 
I'mWithDan said:
For me, no. Alexander shows the ability to shoot across the spectrum (off the dribble, spot up, transition, etc.) and he's an incredibly smart player. I just think Alexander's ability to get his own shot off is more valuable......but Hughes is a certainly a more physically imposing player and better athlete. He has plays where you will say "damn" on defense.....but he also drifts a lot and can lose his man. I think Hughes can succeed as a rotational piece on a good team, similar to a role JR carved out with us.....he may just wash out on a bad team, where he's given too much freedom and isn't being held as accountable on defense. I think Alexander can succeed in either scenario (good or bad team), as a valuable rotational player.
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I guess I see the JR Smith comp. You sold me on Alexander (enough to get him on my board at least) with the argument that he does bring an elite skill to the table. So then, even if he's just average in all other facets of the game, there's a good reason to put him on the court. I don't see that with Hughes, though. I see a lot of areas where, with good coaching and accountability, he could be good enough to get by. But he's rarely or never going to be the best shooter, the best passer, the best athlete, the best defender, etc, etc. on the court at the NBA level. So it seems like he could easily just get lost in the shuffle.

Randolphkeys said:
Williams has small forward length. I was thinking Bane's body and play is a lot like Gary Harris, but less explosive and athletic.
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He's definitely got an inch or two of height on Bane, but he does have pretty short arms (6'7.25" wingspan). Tempting comparison in part because they're both TCU guys, of course. Sort of how I'm continuously tempted to compare Xavier Tillman to Draymond Green...
 
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He has trouble with pressure as the ball handler, and he has been struggling.
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So...what is his position? Because if he's a 4 in the NBA, I'm a lot less concerned with him not being able to handle the ball like a guard.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
So...what is his position? Because if he's a 4 in the NBA, I'm a lot less concerned with him not being able to handle the ball like a guard.
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He is a 3/4 who can guard 2-5. I see a lot of Danilo Gallinari before injuries limited his mobility. I've also heard Bogdanovic with better ball handling. He's a sure bet as a starting small forward because his shot has become so smooth, but the ceiling could be in question. If the Cavs are picking outside of the top two, I'm pretty sure he is the pick.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
So...what is his position? Because if he's a 4 in the NBA, I'm a lot less concerned with him not being able to handle the ball like a guard.
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It is honestly a tough call, watching him. I think he's best suited to be a 4, relative to his matchups at the 3 at the NBA level......but it will also be pretty tough on him physically until his body matures. He seems to have the requisite length to be a 4 and his post defense looks solid for his age / frame.....and playing at the 4 would make him more valuable as a ball handler and lower the skill level needed to be effective but it will be a grind.

He's really young......so his handle can improve but some of the recent pressure leads me to believe he's going to have tough sledding against the better 3's offensively......and if you remove his avenue to creation, I'm not sure he's a very interesting prospect......especially at the top of a draft.
 
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