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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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Hate to say it, but I think I agree with Orlovsky. The problem is Baker's first thought likely being "where's OBJ" isn't Beckham's problem. It's Bakers problem.

Also it doesn't explain his general lack of accuracy when throwing to OBJ.
As someone who played QB at the HS level:
I had a super dominant WR. I could throw it anywhere & he would find a way to get it. I struggled with double teams because I looked at him, then when I saw he was covered would look elsewhere. If others werent open, I would then revert back to option 1. The main problem is, not only would I force a throw, but the timing would often be off.

Baker is spending too much time thinking vs just letting it rip. It explains the accuracy drop off. Its on him. He needs to figure this out. With OBJ not being in the game, they need to use this as a time to mentally work with one another.
 
Go ahead and take a gander at all the top QB's in the league's INT numbers in their first 3 seasons in the league and then try to tell me 15-7 at the just about the halfway mark is not pretty fucking good...

He's on pace to throw about 32 TD's and 15 INT's...

Those would be impressive statistics the first year in an offense and we don't even know how this looks without the shadow Beckham has been casting. He will only continue to get better and better as he gains more comfort in the system, knowing where his reads should go and the plays that he needs to check into when defenses give him certain looks.

This year is all about learning the system, again he's essentially a rookie... If he can duplicate those year 1 stats where he went 28-14, and actually even improve upon them slightly? How is that not as major major win for us?
People underestimate system changes big time. Once you spend time in a system, you will better understand what does & doesnt work against defenses, but you will know exactly where your targets are and should be. This will allow you to make any throw you want.

I just find it hard to believe someone who has always been extremely accurate and could make any throw just lost it.
 
To be clear, I think the offense is going to be noticeably worse without OBJ. Teams will be able to stack another man in the box and, on passing plays, do what they did to Jarvis two years ago. Stefanski is going to need to be creative with guys like Hunt in order to overcome the extra focus against our run game and shot-passing game.

Perhaps. However, I do see an outcome where it's actually better without him. To no fault of OBJ, our QB just hasn't figured out how to come up with a great balance in his progressions when he knows OBJ is a superstar wanting to be fed. That's why, even on a TD pass to Harrison Bryant against the WTF team, he ran straight over to OBJ and Landry and told them he love them and to be patient.

That is NOT the kind of mindset you want your QB to have.

And as much as I dislike Brandon Marshall, he said that based on his experience in the NFL it's something that goes through a lot of QBs heads. If they have that superstar, larger-than-life type of WR on the field they're always thinking about throwing them the ball.

The questions we need to ask are:

1. Does the net positive of Baker more freely distributing the ball without worrying about feeding a megastar outweigh the more rigid and restrictive presence of a defense that doesn't have to worry about OBJ? Simply, if Baker improves, will that be greater than the defense improving without worrying about OBJ?
2. How much did defenses actually try to limit OBJ given the fact that Baker struggled to get him the ball? Why was he open so much this year if they did everything to try to stop him? They know everything we know and far more. It feels like the Colts, Steelers, and Bengals were more focused on trying to stop the run than trying to stop OBJ.

Long post short: we really don't know, but we'll see.
 
@Lee your stats teacher would be ashamed of you.

You forgot to factor in the probability of each game being played when you added on the 9 yet-unplayed games.

Clearly @Triplethreat was taking into account the likelihood of COVID or other circumstances canceling a game. With less than 100% certainty of a game being played, you have to move the statistical expected results down as well. Using my unpublished algorithm, I feel comfortable saying Baker is on pace for a total of 8 interceptions this season. This model predicts that no NFL games will be played after the Monday night game on November 2nd.

:chuckle:

This is awesome and really has some truth to it, but it really is 34/16 for 16 games, and we should use 16 games for comparison to other seasons.

That said, I cant tell you how much I enjoyed this.
 
The Odell from NY is still in there. Last year he played with a sport hernia, slowed him down a couple of steps, this year we saw a glimpse in that one game how dynamic he really is, but Baker just isn't on the same page with him and that really is mainly Baker's fault. Give him a Tom Brady and OBJ would go back to the same dynamic receiver as in NY or even better....well not now obviously, but after he heals.


I don't see fault as mattering. If Baker is feeling some weird pressure to get the ball to OBJ, and it makes him a worse QB, that's on Baker. But whose fault it is doesn't change the bottom line that the pairing has not worked.

Eventually Baker might grow into having a true #1, but it seems to hamper him. Hey, we have 9 more games to find out, lets see what Baker looks like the rest of the way.

Yeah, we're not going to trade OBJ now, and we get to see how the other guys do. If there isn't a dropoff in offensive performance that's worth $16M to correct, then we should move OBJ to a team that believes it is better able to take advantage of his skill set.
 
This is awesome and really has some truth to it, but it really is 34/16 for 16 games, and we should use 16 games for comparison to other seasons.

That said, I cant tell you how much I enjoyed this.
Oh, for sure.

I just had some fun pulling your leg.

... that was your leg, right? ;)
 
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How many other QB's with multiple head coaches in their first 3 years ended up being successful?

Not a judgement, honestly wondering. I can't think of any off hand.

I'd imagine not many QBs have had three different head coaches their first three years because most organizations aren't nearly as incompetent as the Browns have been.

Although thankfully it seems like we may have found the right setup for once by actually hiring a GM and Coach who are aligned with both each other and our top analytics and strategy guy, DePodesta.
 
Oh, for sure.

I just had some fun pulling your leg.

... that was your leg, right? ;)

The best part was you weren't pulling my leg really. In a more advances statistical model you do account for the NFL not finishing the season and would put the over under at 15 games, it really was incredible. Statistical Nerd Humor.
 
No one is saying it's a Beckham problem. It's CLEARLY a Baker problem.

Sometimes two people just don't connect and it's neither of their fault.

In these situations, the responsibility isn't so clear. It's either the bratty kids that act like your brother or the oversized house payment I never wanted in the first place!!!!
 
Sometimes two people just don't connect and it's neither of their fault.

In these situations, the responsibility isn't so clear. It's either the bratty kids that act like your brother or the oversized house payment I never wanted in the first place!!!!

I have a better analogy:

It's like two people getting married and then just understanding that you are better off without them in your life.

Right @Lee
 
I have a better analogy:

It's like two people getting married and then just understanding that you are better off without them in your life.

Right @Lee

Did you call me out because you think you are better off with me not in your life?

Amherst, i thought we meant more to each other than that.
 
I have a better analogy:

It's like two people getting married and then just understanding that you are better off without them in your life.

Right @Lee

So Baker and Odell still love each other, but sadly, they're just not IN love anymore. And in those truly honest moments, they can admit that maybe they never were to begin with.
 
So Baker and Odell still love each other, but sadly, they're just not IN love anymore. And in those truly honest moments, they can admit that maybe they never were to begin with.

Not even a little bit, not even at all.

Did you call me out because you think you are better off with me not in your life?

Amherst, i thought we meant more to each other than that.

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Baker 2nd after Brady in DYAR on footballoutsiders' Quick Reads.

Passing offense currently 16th in DVOA; immediately above are ARI, SF, MIA, NO, and immediately below are DET, ATL, PIT, IND, BAL., as surprising as some of those might look - we should totally trade for Matt Ryan, and break the bank on draft picks, because of the dead cap ATL would have to eat. ;)
 

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