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NFL Off-Season Thread

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AZ_ said:
He’s made his demands clear, he’s under no obligation to do anything other than facilitate a potential trade. Unless the organization wants to come to him and make things right, he’s likely just going to keep being elite.

No need to meet with anyone, it doesn’t suck for him, he has an immense amount of leverage, and will likely be in a position where the team can come to him, or attempt to win without him.

Good luck to the Texans on that, but I don’t operate under the false pretense that he’s not in a very advantageous position.


The remarkably dumb cliches about “selfishness,” “shut up and play,” and the other tropes we don’t assign to Carson Wentz are going to persist regardless.
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He has no leverage. Zero. None. Nada.
He can sit out all he wants, his contract will still be there and he won’t get paid.
 
Yeah...if I'm Houston, I don't really care at all about his threat to sit out. The team is going to suck for years regardless of whether or not he's playing...it'd honestly be better for both him and Houston if he did sit out :chuckle:
 
cavsLTU said:
I just dont understand how a player who signed a 150 million!! contract by himself five months ago, becomes a victim now. Some of you are really ridiculous
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Los216 said:
What does him signing that contract have to do with anything?
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Maybe that in life you can not only get but also give something ?

A company invested 150 millions in their asset and that asset is set for life. Even if his form slips and he becomes a bad player or if he gets a career ending injury, he still gets most of the money. While the team would be in a financial cap hell for years. In this case, its completely rational to expect a person to follow his contract at least in the first year when he signed it.

Most of those major league players are already self entitled jerks that get everything they want since high school and live a life that us, normal Joes cant even dream of. Why do people want to give them even more power and portray them as victims is completely beyond my understanding.
 
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JDailey23 said:
He has no leverage. Zero. None. Nada.
He can sit out all he wants, his contract will still be there and he won’t get paid.
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I can feel how much you wish this were true, for some reason.
 
cavsLTU said:
Maybe that in life you can not only get but also give something ?

A company invested 150 millions in their asset and that asset is set for life. Even if his form slips and he becomes a bad player or if he gets a career ending injury, he still gets most of the money. While the team would be in a financial cap hell for years. In this case, its completely rational to expect a person to follow his contract at least in the first year when he signed it.

Most of those major league players are already self entitled jerks that get everything they want since high school and live a life that us, normal Joes cant even dream of. Why do people want to give them even more power and portray them as victims is completely beyond my understanding.
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Do you...not know how NFL contracts work?

NFL contracts largely aren’t guaranteed, and teams have the opportunity to cut players before the end of their contracts.

You don’t have to fabricate things about victimhood to perpetuate feelings of jealousy and hate toward athletes. You, the normal Joe, aren’t a victim either.

The alternative is siding with billionaires owners who lied to him to coax him into signing a contract before exposing the fact that their organization is an unmitigated disaster and breaking the various promises they made to him.

Are they the “real” victim here? No, this isn’t about victimhood

Perhaps it’s just possible that if you hate athletes for considering their own interests, maybe sports aren’t for you.

If you don’t think they have the value they think they do, consider that you went out of your way to set up an online profile to join a community to talk about them...
 
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AZ_ said:
Do you...not know how NFL contracts work?

NFL contracts largely aren’t guaranteed, and teams have the opportunity to cut players before the end of their contracts.

You don’t have to fabricate things about victimhood to perpetuate feelings of jealousy and hate toward athletes. You, the normal Joe, aren’t a victim either.

The alternative is siding with billionaires owners who lied to him to coax him into signing a contract before exposing the fact that their organization is an unmitigated disaster and breaking the various promises they made to him.

Are they the “real” victim here? No, this isn’t about victimhood

Perhaps it’s just possible that if you hate athletes for considering their own interests, maybe sports aren’t for you.

If you don’t think they have the value they think they do, consider that you went out of your way to set up an online profile to join a community to talk about them...
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Lol, never did I hate any athlete and I love sports so dont try to attack me or make me jealous of them. This doesnt change a fact that Top athletes are millionaires and live by different norms than a normal person. It funny how people who do not agree with a narrative gets called out to be rasist or haters in this forum.
 
Los216 said:
Billionaires have largely been able to continue to exist by somehow winning over sympathy from the average Joe.

One of the biggest swindles in world history. Amazing.
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The argument always devolves into average joe’s hurting their own feelings because an athlete actually stands up for themselves, their value or their views.

Anything different is “out of line,” and they’re just not grateful enough for what the bosses have “given” them, forgetting that they earned the contract and such a stake in the team.
 
cavsLTU said:
Lol, never did I hate any athlete and I love sports so dont try to attack me or make me jealous of them. This doesnt change a fact that Top athletes are millionaires and live by different norms than a normal person. It funny how people who do not agree with a narrative gets called out to be rasist or haters in this forum.
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Perpetuating that Watson is trying to portray himself as a “victim” is hating.

If you’re going to make up (fabricate) feelings of athletes and target them for it, that’s literally what “hating” is :chuckle: .

Words have meaning...
 
Ohio said:
The NFL context is that those players would not stay with those teams without the threat of the franchise tag. I mean, what you and @Los216 are arguing is that Watson signed that contract because he didn't want to play on the franchise tag, right? So...if you remove the franchise tag, Watson almost certainly never signs that contract, and he leaves for Miami and Houston is left with nothing.


You've lost me on this one. I'm the one making the argument to keep the system as it is... :chuckle:

As for the bolded - will just have to agree to disagree.
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Watson hasn’t said anything about Miami, for what it’s worth.

Players choosing teams in free agency is their right, if we don’t think players should have rights...idk what to tell you.

You keep saying there is a problem or that it would be possible for a problem to become reality by eliminating the ability for teams to prevent players from ever leaving, but the problem doesn’t even exist.

Franchise players can’t flock to cities because this isn’t the NBA, there is a 53 man roster instead of 15. You start 22 players instead of 5.

It’s like people have PTSD because of the NBA system.


Forced labor sort of seems like the opposite of what the league should be moving towards, especially because the only reason to keep players locked into a city are because fans get emotional seeing players leave their favorite team.
 
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AZ_ said:
I can feel how much you wish this were true, for some reason.
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But he doesn’t. Only way he gets moved is if Houston allows it. That’s it. Therefore, Houston has the leverage.

If leverage is sitting out, not playing, not getting paid and having your contract frozen, then I guess you’re right.
 
JDailey23 said:
But he doesn’t. Only way he gets moved is if Houston allows it. That’s it. Therefore, Houston has the leverage.

If leverage is sitting out, not playing, not getting paid and having your contract frozen, then I guess you’re right.
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Right, he gets moved if Houston relents to his leverage.

That’s the point, feels like you’re arguing in a circle.

Houston has multiple first round offers for one of the best QBs in the league, and you think THEY have the leverage by not playing him and being a pile of shit franchise who is now also without their best player?

He also got paid $27 million up front upon signing. The threat to withhold the rest isn’t the “game changer” you’re making it out to be.

Lol. Good luck keeping your job, David Culley. The entirety of their fan base sides with the players, you have to remember that they aren’t digging in on this absurd take because you refuse to admit the obvious. Their fans aren’t arguing in bad faith and calling Deshaun overrated because of an emotional take about how players have too much power. Anyone who is isn’t taken seriously anyway.


But hey, I’m sure the Texans will really show Deshaun who is boss...

1. Watson almost certainly gets traded.
2. If he doesn’t, it will be because the Texans will bend over backwards to make it right with him.

No lose situation when the organization has shown their incompetence.
 
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The Franchise Tag is a reserve clause much like baseball pre-1974.

Watson has No leverage and never did, regardless of his contract.
 
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