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Trying to talk myself into Mobley but if I have to watch another season with only two reliable scorers on the team it will be hard, especially after having 4 top 8 draft picks in a row.
 
Nathan S said:
I guess I'm kinda traumatized by the Garland-Sexton situation of "oh, i guess we should've realized they wouldn't be a great fit, but now we're too paralyzed by indecision to un-fuck ourselves." It'd be so nice to draft a guy where we don't have to worry about fit at all.
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That makes sense, but also, I think given the deficiencies of each guy we've drafted high, the list of guys who truly "fit" is limited and possibly non-existent.
 
Derek said:
That makes sense, but also, I think given the deficiencies of each guy we've drafted high, the list of guys who truly "fit" is limited and possibly non-existent.
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Well, the guys who really get you in trouble, IMO, are guys with no positional versatility, and that's typically small guards (can only play the 1 defensively) and non-shooting bigs (can only play the 5 offensively). The issue with Okoro is not so much an issue of fit...he's been equally underwhelming at SG and SF, regardless of what his "true" position is. I think it's jumping to conclusions to call Mobley a non-shooting big, but I do feel a bit nervous when I watch him play a full game without taking a 3.
 
Nathan S said:
Well, the guys who really get you in trouble, IMO, are guys with no positional versatility, and that's typically small guards (can only play the 1 defensively) and non-shooting bigs (can only play the 5 offensively). The issue with Okoro is not so much an issue of fit...he's been equally underwhelming at SG and SF, regardless of what his "true" position is. I think it's jumping to conclusions to call Mobley a non-shooting big, but I do feel a bit nervous when I watch him play a full game without taking a 3.
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True, it's tough for me to imagine any good lineups involving Okoro right now. I'm hoping he shows some flashes here down the stretch, but for now, I don't even consider him when I think of our future roster.

I will say, Mobley did go 3-8 on 3's in the 3 games prior to last night. Not nearly enough to think he's going to come out bombing from deep, but I think there's something there, and his face-up game and passing ability should help as well.
 
Derek said:
True, it's tough for me to imagine any good lineups involving Okoro right now. I'm hoping he shows some flashes here down the stretch, but for now, I don't even consider him when I think of our future roster.

I will say, Mobley did go 3-8 on 3's in the 3 games prior to last night. Not nearly enough to think he's going to come out bombing from deep, but I think there's something there, and his face-up game and passing ability should help as well.
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Yeah, I definitely think there's something there. I'm just coming to terms with the fact that we're simply not going to have an answer to the "will he or won't he be a stretch big" question on draft night. Some guys with similar numbers at a similar stage in their development have gone on to be good shooters. Others, like Ayton who I mentioned earlier, simply plateau.
 
Nathan S said:
Yeah, I definitely think there's something there. I'm just coming to terms with the fact that we're simply not going to have an answer to the "will he or won't he be a stretch big" question on draft night. Some guys with similar numbers at a similar stage in their development have gone on to be good shooters. Others, like Ayton who I mentioned earlier, simply plateau.
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Let's be real, the Cavs are going to take Bouknight, so all of our talks are for naught anyways.
 
Nathan S said:
Yeah, I definitely think there's something there. I'm just coming to terms with the fact that we're simply not going to have an answer to the "will he or won't he be a stretch big" question on draft night. Some guys with similar numbers at a similar stage in their development have gone on to be good shooters. Others, like Ayton who I mentioned earlier, simply plateau.
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I'm a huge Arizona basketball fan and probably overrate guys like Ayton, Markkanen, McConnell, etc. because of it, but Mobley is in another stratosphere than Ayton as a prospect with his perimeter skills. Ayton always showed a decent touch, but nowhere near the levels of finesse, quickness, and general offensive skill as Mobley.

With Ayton, any time he settles for jump shots, it feels like a wasted possession since he's at his best when he's close to the basket, staying aggressive, and embracing his "Dominayton" persona (which happens way too inconsistently).

Mobley can actually create on the perimeter. He's so agile and skilled for a 7-footer. It makes projecting him out as a big that can anchor your offense and play inside and out so much easier. Add in his defensive brilliance with elite-level rim protection and switchability, and to me, he's a no-brainer, no-questions-asked No. 1 pick.
 
MVP said:
I'm a huge Arizona basketball fan and probably overrate guys like Ayton, Markkanen, McConnell, etc. because of it, but Mobley is in another stratosphere than Ayton as a prospect with his perimeter skills. Ayton always showed a decent touch, but nowhere near the levels of finesse, quickness, and general offensive skill as Mobley.

With Ayton, any time he settles for jump shots, it feels like a wasted possession since he's at his best when he's close to the basket, staying aggressive, and embracing his "Dominayton" persona (which happens way too inconsistently).

Mobley can actually create on the perimeter. He's so agile and skilled for a 7-footer. It makes projecting him out as a big that can anchor your offense and play inside and out so much easier. Add in his defensive brilliance with elite-level rim protection and switchability, and to me, he's a no-brainer, no-questions-asked No. 1 pick.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a no-brainer #1 pick, but he should be in the conversation, and I do think he's a better prospect than Ayton.
 
Someone mentioned Jeremiah Robinson-Earl a little while back...he's the biggest March Madness riser so far in my draft ratings after totaling 40 points, 17 boards, and 12 assists across two games. Would definitely draft him in the first round at the very least.
 
Nathan S said:
I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a no-brainer #1 pick, but he should be in the conversation, and I do think he's a better prospect than Ayton.
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No-brainer may be a bit extreme, but I do think he's the most sure-fire franchise star between him, Cade, Green, and Suggs.

& yea, I've been high on JRE since his freshman season and excited to see more of him. He looks great every game I watch, but I guess not as good in games that I don't watch otherwise he'd be a consensus lottery pick. If you're looking to draft a prototype stretch 4, he's it to me (though his 3-point % tells a different story). Very PJ Washington-esq.
 
Only natural we get in two non-perimeter oriented 7footers after drafting two small guards. The Cleveland TheyCanCoexists!

Just joking, I think Allen Mobley can work. Maybe not the most ideal for Mobley but until he bulks up he can't be a strict 5 anyway, so we'd have time to make moves.
 
MVP said:
No-brainer may be a bit extreme, but I do think he's the most sure-fire franchise star between him, Cade, Green, and Suggs.

& yea, I've been high on JRE since his freshman season and excited to see more of him. He looks great every game I watch, but I guess not as good in games that I don't watch otherwise he'd be a consensus lottery pick. If you're looking to draft a prototype stretch 4, he's it to me (though his 3-point % tells a different story). Very PJ Washington-esq.
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He's one of those prospects who stands out by *not* standing out in any one area. He's not obviously elite at anything, but he's pretty good at everything. My top-3 (statistically) most well rounded prospects this year are him, Trendon Watford, and Justin Champaigne.
 
I'm not one to say that playoff games are all that matters, but it is interesting that Mobley, Suggs, Wagner, Moody, Barnes, and (presumably) Sengun all have big playoff games ahead of them. A championship performance from any of those guys would be a powerful statement.
 
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