2021 NBA Draft Safari

[AZ_]

So can anyone actually talk me off Mobley for the Cavs?

Suggs seems like a young DRose in the way he moves. Huge springs, really great scoring ability and the potential for more.

But pairing Mobley/Allen with a dual threat backcourt (hopefully) at least gets me excited because it’s a tangible plan we can see.

Would you assume a (eventual) starting 5:

G - Garland
G - Sexton
F - Okoro
F - Mobley
C - Allen

Deeper rotation of wing/shooters like Windler, Wade, Prince, Nance and Osman if he’s still around.

Could I have hope in that franchise core if Mobley winds up being a 25/12 (35+% 3P) guy with plus defense and passing abilities?

I think I might.

 

[blommen]

I would recommend anyone interested to check out the Stepien podcast these days. They’ve started covering this years top prospects and there are some really neat insights and perspectives on how these guys shake out and what their projections might look like

 

[Lee]

I'm not one to say that playoff games are all that matters, but it is interesting that Mobley, Suggs, Wagner, Moody, Barnes, and (presumably) Sengun all have big playoff games ahead of them. A championship performance from any of those guys would be a powerful statement.

There really isnt allot of success in the NBA with the Tourny risers like Danny Manning. There are the exceptions like Curry and Wade, but typically they dont work out.

 

[Lee]

So can anyone actually talk me off Mobley for the Cavs?

Suggs seems like a young DRose in the way he moves. Huge springs, really great scoring ability and the potential for more.

But pairing Mobley/Allen with a dual threat backcourt (hopefully) at least gets me excited because it’s a tangible plan we can see.

Would you assume a (eventual) starting 5:

G - Garland
G - Sexton
F - Okoro
F - Mobley
C - Allen

Deeper rotation of wing/shooters like Windler, Wade, Prince, Nance and Osman if he’s still around.

Could I have hope in that franchise core if Mobley winds up being a 25/12 (35+% 3P) guy with plus defense and passing abilities?

I think I might.

My only problem with Mobley is it will take draft magic to get him as no way he slips past 3 imo.

 

[Nathan S]

There really isnt allot of success in the NBA with the Tourny risers like Danny Manning. There are the exceptions like Curry and Wade, but typically they dont work out.

Sure, but tournament games have to be at least as important as any other games, especially so for guys like Suggs who've played relatively few games so far against good teams. I'm just saying let's give it another two weeks before we declare a no-brainer #1 pick.

 

[Lee]

Sure, but tournament games have to be at least as important as any other games, especially so for guys like Suggs who've played relatively few games so far against good teams. I'm just saying let's give it another two weeks before we declare a no-brainer #1 pick.

Suggs was already high on peoples list pre-tourney. Some say Anthony Davis was a tourney riser, i disagree. AD was already talks about top 5, even number 1, his tourney solidified him. I would say Suggs, Mobley, and Cade having good tourney's would lock them in to a top 5, maybe even #1 overall. But they all had solid seasons and are all being talked about top 5 before the tourney.

So yes, I agree.

 

[Nathan S]

Ignoring international guys for the moment, here are the prospects still jockeying for position (am I forgetting anyone?):

1a (real shot at #1 overall): Mobley, Suggs
2b (trying to crack top-5): Barnes, Wagner, Moody

2 (trying to reach lottery): Butler, Robinson-Earl, Mitchell, Kispert

3 (trying to reach first round): Ayayi, Jones, Grimes, Zegarowski, Dickenson, Duarte, Timme, Bassey (NIT)

 

[MirORich]

Ignoring international guys for the moment, here are the prospects still jockeying for position (am I forgetting anyone?):

1a (real shot at #1 overall): Mobley, Suggs
2b (trying to crack top-5): Barnes, Wagner, Moody

2 (trying to reach lottery): Butler, Robinson-Earl, Mitchell, Kispert

3 (trying to reach first round): Ayayi, Jones, Grimes, Zegarowski, Dickenson, Duarte, Timme, Bassey (NIT)

Is this your draft roster exclusIvey or a list lined up with what will most likely happen? If it’s the latter, than you’re definitely missing Kuminga and Green. Or is this US College players only?

edit: my bad, “jockeying for position” as in still playing games that could affect their draft stock. Ie still in the NCAA or NIT tournament

 

[Nathan S]

Is this your draft roster exclusIvey or a list lined up with what will most likely happen? If it’s the latter, than you’re definitely missing Kuminga and Green. Or is this US College players only?

This is just players still active in march madness

EDIT: Yeah, sorry, was clear in my head of course but should have written it differently

 

[Derek]

Is this your draft roster exclusIvey or a list lined up with what will most likely happen? If it’s the latter, than you’re definitely missing Kuminga and Green. Or is this US College players only?

I think he's just listing guys that are actively playing

EDIT: and today @Nathan S beats me to the punch

 

[I'mWithDan]

So can anyone actually talk me off Mobley for the Cavs?

I honestly want Green, so we can end the dumb ass Sexton / Garland thing.

Is that rational? I don't know.....but I think Green might be the best prospect in this draft, as well as forcing our hand on our failed guard experiment.

I worry Mobley will be viewed as a "perfect fit" and similar to Okoro, we will partially be ignoring some of the problems with our past draft investments, in order to take someone that fits in to this failed roster.

I personally like Mobley but I tend to lean towards players who can command the ball on offense.......as without that, we aren't going to wrestle possessions away from the players who I think are getting too many to use.

Mobley is a good roster fit, because we haven't drafted at his spot but I personally still think Green is potentially the best player.

 

[Nathan S]

I honestly want Green, so we can end the dumb ass Sexton / Garland thing.

Is that rational? I don't know.....but I think Green might be the best prospect in this draft, as well as forcing our hand on our failed guard experiment.

I worry Mobley will be viewed as a "perfect fit" and similar to Okoro, we will partially be ignoring some of the problems with our past draft investments, in order to take someone that fits in to this failed roster.

I personally like Mobley but I tend to lean towards players who can command the ball on offense.......as without that, we aren't going to wrestle possessions away from the players who I think are getting too many to use.

Mobley is a good roster fit, because we haven't drafted at his spot but I personally still think Green is potentially the best player.

Mobley a perfect fit? I think there's hope for a Mobley-Allen frontcourt, but it's certainly not a match made in heaven. I think most pro-Mobley folks like him as the BPA, not necessarily as the perfect fit.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Mobley a perfect fit? I think there's hope for a Mobley-Allen frontcourt, but it's certainly not a match made in heaven. I think most pro-Mobley folks like him as the BPA, not necessarily as the perfect fit.

I used air quotes, as we heard similar things to justify the Okoro selection.

I'm not trying to drag Mobley......he's far superior to Okoro.....but just speaking to the justification that will be used if we pass on Green (and he looks like a star immediately) and how the org will try to damage control that dynamic because they were (again) unwilling to admit Garland / Sexton was a mistake.

We saw a lot of that when we took Okoro over Haliburton, who (TH) would have directly competed with both Sexton and Garland for playing time. People within the org talked up Okoro, like he was an answer on the wing because they didn't want to admit that pairing two small, non defensive scoring guards was a bad idea.

Taking Mobley over Green, to me, feels like a front office "believing" in this terrible roster. As Mobley would just be inserted at the 4. Whereas taking Green, while maybe the right move, is a hell of a lot messier roster wise.

 

["MVP"]

I used air quotes, as we heard similar things to justify the Okoro selection.

I'm not trying to drag Mobley......he's far superior to Okoro.....but just speaking to the justification that will be used if we pass on Green (and he looks like a star immediately) and how the org will try to damage control that dynamic because they were (again) unwilling to admit Garland / Sexton was a mistake.

We saw a lot of that when we took Okoro over Haliburton, who (TH) would have directly competed with both Sexton and Garland for playing time. People within the org talked up Okoro, like he was an answer on the wing because they didn't want to admit that pairing two small, non defensive scoring guards was a bad idea.

Taking Mobley over Green, to me, feels like a front office "believing" in this terrible roster. As Mobley would just be inserted at the 4. Whereas taking Green, while maybe the right move, is a hell of a lot messier roster wise.

You don't think there's a legitimate argument that Mobley is just the better prospect?

If Mobley is off the board, I'd be excited with Green or Suggs, either of whom would almost definitely end the Sexland starting backcourt. I think the best pure "fits" to make our current roster work would be Cade or Kuminga, if you believe in their talents.

 

[Nathan S]

The matchup between Mobley and fellow All-Pac12 big Omoruyi is super interesting. Both were unremarkable when they faced off earlier this year, but I'm expecting fireworks this time.