2021 Draft Prospects Thread

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

If Paye or Horn is there, I'll run that pick up from my house.

Neither of them should be there. Paye is likely the top edge player in this class that didn't have to retire from football once already due to concussion problems.

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Agreed on all accounts.

I’ve given up on JOK, Horn, or Paye being there, and while I wish that means we’d trade out of 26, I can’t see them passing on the fifth year of a guy unless the return is significant.

side note- Andre Cisco’s fall from grace is wild. Super concerning medical, but he’s probably safety 1b for me just on talent and is routinely mocked in the 3/4 range. The need for an over the top safety isn’t massive for us, but man is he fun.

DJTJ said:

Agreed on all accounts.

I’ve given up on JOK, Horn, or Paye being there, and while I wish that means we’d trade out of 26, I can’t see them passing on the fifth year of a guy unless the return is significant.

side note- Andre Cisco’s fall from grace is wild. Super concerning medical, but he’s probably safety 1b for me just on talent and is routinely mocked in the 3/4 range. The need for an over the top safety isn’t massive for us, but man is he fun.

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If Horn, Paye, and Newsome (injuries?) are all gone, we should really be getting Tryon mocked to us more often

Schrager has us with Rousseau, but I just can't see them liking his production profile, at all. Has he even met with us?

DJTJ said:

Agreed on all accounts.

I’ve given up on JOK, Horn, or Paye being there, and while I wish that means we’d trade out of 26, I can’t see them passing on the fifth year of a guy unless the return is significant.

side note- Andre Cisco’s fall from grace is wild. Super concerning medical, but he’s probably safety 1b for me just on talent and is routinely mocked in the 3/4 range. The need for an over the top safety isn’t massive for us, but man is he fun.

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I want us to come away with one safety from this class... I'd love to snag Jamar Johnson or Tyree Gillespie, but I'd be fine with Richie Grant, Andre Cisco or Ar'Darius Washington.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

I want us to come away with one safety from this class... I'd love to snag Jamar Johnson or Tyree Gillespie, but I'd be fine with Richie Grant, Andre Cisco or Ar'Darius Washington.

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Very much in the same boat. I really, really like this safety class. It’s really top notch. I’d add Nasirildeen as well, even though he’s very similar to Ronnie Harrison. Another fun guy on tape.

Jamar Johnson is someone I really don’t think will make it to 59, but would be the top guy on my board at that point unless someone completely unexpected falls. I also love Moehrig, and he’d be one of the guys if he made it to 26 I’d actually consider, even if it was surplus. He’s going to be great.

Lots of talks about how good the CB class is, but some legit difference makers in the safety class for me.

DJTJ said:

Andre Cisco’s fall from grace is wild. Super concerning medical, but he’s probably safety 1b for me just on talent and is routinely mocked in the 3/4 range. The need for an over the top safety isn’t massive for us, but man is he fun.

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Some teams see major injuries as a reason to knock a player down a few pegs. I can understand that moreso the sites who knock a guy for sitting out the season due to Covid.

I really liked Cisco preseason because of elite ball skills in zone. I have read that he breaks off his responsibilities in order to jump routes, which is a fair reason to downgrade his rankings. Amassing all those PBUs by leaving other responsibilities open for exploitation can be misleading.

I don't know if the Browns will have him rated as highly as other teams because they don't run a lot of Cover 1 with a single high free safety. Seattle would love this guy.

Kwity Paye is certainly an athletic freak but I wonder if his lack of production could hurt him in the eyes of the Browns' brass. He's also on the older side (turns 23 during the season).

How about Oweh? I was listening to Mays on the athletic podcast, and he was talking about how low athleticism DEs drafted in the first round tend to miss a lot, as athleticism is so key to the position. Oweh had pressure numbers if not sacks, and he's obviously young and as dominant as it gets athletically. Wouldn't be surprised if the FO viewed him as a guy who could play outside on passing downs as a rookie while developing him for a bigger role in year 2.

kriegs said:

If Horn, Paye, and Newsome (injuries?) are all gone, we should really be getting Tryon mocked to us more often

Schrager has us with Rousseau, but I just can't see them liking his production profile, at all. Has he even met with us?

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Tryon and Rousseau have huge upsides but major development needed imo and although they project as early to middle 2nd round where you could definitely grab one at 26 it seems like slight overpays based on limited production and possibly overvalue of a both where the option for a development pick later seems more realistic if its not Oweh .
imo one of those others could be had trading up in 2nd or a similar level upside taken at 59 but if they are doing that at 26 going Edge no matter what I am taking Payton Turner over Tryon and Rousseau who didnt play last year all day any day if Paye and Oweh are history.
But I expect a IDL -Barmore if available at 26 due to the limited number of IDL options later . My choice is OLB Collins or J Davis early unless some really above and beyond better Edge or DB option falls in their lap as I expect Barmore to be unavailable at 26 and the more reasonable option to trade up for Turner in round 2 who can play outside the tackle or over him.

Ozone said:

Tryon and Rousseau have huge upsides but major development needed imo and although they project as early to middle 2nd round where you could definitely grab one at 26 it seems like slight overpays based on limited production and possibly overvalue of a both where the option for a development pick later seems more realistic if its not Oweh .
imo one of those others could be had trading up in 2nd or a similar level upside taken at 59 but if they are doing that at 26 going Edge no matter what I am taking Payton Turner over Tryon and Rousseau who didnt play last year all day any day if Paye and Oweh are history.
But I expect a IDL -Barmore if available at 26 due to the limited number of IDL options later . My choice is OLB Collins or J Davis early unless some really above and beyond better Edge or DB option falls in their lap as I expect Barmore to be unavailable at 26 and the more reasonable option to trade up for Turner in round 2 who can play outside the tackle or over him.

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Personal opinion.

If you’re looking at 26, and a developmental potential project is your top guy, five years is more important than four.

So I would actually, if that’s the route they want, get five years versus four and a minor asset.

If somehow they make a trade down from 26, which also moves us up from 59, landing Terrace Marshall and Tryon/Turner would be pretty legit. Seems like most of the WRs they have looked at are late speed guys, but would make sense long-term to invest there

kriegs said:

If somehow they make a trade down from 26, which also moves us up from 59, landing Terrace Marshall and Tryon/Turner would be pretty legit. Seems like most of the WRs they have looked at are late speed guys, but would make sense long-term to invest there

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If we draft a receiver early, I want either Marshall or Bateman. Not really in love with anyone else in the first. Elijah Moore in the second would be fine, though.

Ozone said:

Tryon and Rousseau have huge upsides but major development needed imo and although they project as early to middle 2nd round where you could definitely grab one at 26 it seems like slight overpays based on limited production and possibly overvalue of a both where the option for a development pick later seems more realistic if its not Oweh .
imo one of those others could be had trading up in 2nd or a similar level upside taken at 59 but if they are doing that at 26 going Edge no matter what I am taking Payton Turner over Tryon and Rousseau who didnt play last year all day any day if Paye and Oweh are history.
But I expect a IDL -Barmore if available at 26 due to the limited number of IDL options later . My choice is OLB Collins or J Davis early unless some really above and beyond better Edge or DB option falls in their lap as I expect Barmore to be unavailable at 26 and the more reasonable option to trade up for Turner in round 2 who can play outside the tackle or over him.

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Oweh is a bigger risk than people give credit. I'll give you stats to compare:

Player one: Seven sacks, 13.5 tackles for loss, 63 tackles.

Player two: Eight sacks, 12.5 tackles for loss, 41 tackles.

Pretty close... until I tell you player one needed three seasons to produce those totals and player two put those numbers up as a sophomore. Basically, Joseph Tryon produced in one season what Oweh produced in his entire college career combined. That said, I have them ranked pretty evenly just because they both have so much untapped potential. Tryon was a three sport athlete who is just beginning to focus on football.

There are a lot of apples to oranges comparisons with this entire draft. Who do you reward when some players had to miss a full season or half a season for issues besides injury?

The front office has made a lot of great moves but the jury is still out on their college scouting department. This will be a huge draft to evaluate if draft preparation is the weak link for Berry's front office.

Jack Brickman said:

If we draft a receiver early, I want either Marshall or Bateman. Not really in love with anyone else in the first. Elijah Moore in the second would be fine, though.

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I'd be skeptical Marshall would fall to mid 2nd, but you never know. AJ Brown did.

kriegs said:

I'd be skeptical Marshall would fall to mid 2nd, but you never know. AJ Brown did.

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Yeah, if we get Marshall, I think it's because we drafted him at #26.

I do think Marshall would be a great strategic play for our roster, though, because he's an LSU guy and thus we probably wouldn't have to worry about any resentment from our two top receivers that we used a first on their potential replacement. I'm sure they already know him and like him.

DJTJ said:

Personal opinion.

If you’re looking at 26, and a developmental potential project is your top guy, five years is more important than four.

So I would actually, if that’s the route they want, get five years versus four and a minor asset.

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Sure if it is Oweh for example but I wouldn't take Tryon for example at 26 just so I could make his contract 5 years