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.... the next two years will become his nightmare..

If though the court cannot charge him with anything, they won't be able to do two years if he does everything right in the mean time during the one season. Now it doesn't mean any team will sign him, but as long as he isn't charged, two won't work in the appeals...
 
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Criminal charge(s) aren't necessary, Coach. And, can you imagine Bauer complying with the Treatment Board rehab conditions? Me neither.

"A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for a violation of this Policy in the absence of a conviction or a plea of guilty to a crime involving a Covered Act." (From the Burden of Proof section of MLB Domestic Violence Policy)
 
Criminal charge(s) aren't necessary, Coach. And, can you imagine Bauer complying with the Treatment Board rehab conditions? Me neither.

"A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for a violation of this Policy in the absence of a conviction or a plea of guilty to a crime involving a Covered Act." (From the Burden of Proof section of MLB Domestic Violence Policy)
And therein lies the rub.

Crime versus consensual act made public.
 
Criminal charge(s) aren't necessary, Coach. And, can you imagine Bauer complying with the Treatment Board rehab conditions? Me neither.

"A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for a violation of this Policy in the absence of a conviction or a plea of guilty to a crime involving a Covered Act." (From the Burden of Proof section of MLB Domestic Violence Policy)

But to do two seasons, which previous guys haven't had that bad of a punishment won't go over well with the union.. my point is if he isn't convicted of a crime, it will be hard to do 4x times the amount of time than someone else who actually did get something charged against him and he would win that hearing against the MLB. Now if it's a full season, Bauer may not win (but he will try anyways) but 2 seasons without any crime conviction isn't going to work.

Now that also being stated, he would be a PR nightmare to bring in. Teams may not even try to touch him with a ten foot pole, they will stay away altogether... It's very possible that Bauer will face 2 years since no one may want to sign him, but no charges means one year max....
 
But to do two seasons, which previous guys haven't had that bad of a punishment won't go over well with the union.. my point is if he isn't convicted of a crime, it will be hard to do 4x times the amount of time than someone else who actually did get something charged against him and he would win that hearing against the MLB. Now if it's a full season, Bauer may not win (but he will try anyways) but 2 seasons without any crime conviction isn't going to work.

Now that also being stated, he would be a PR nightmare to bring in. Teams may not even try to touch him with a ten foot pole, they will stay away altogether... It's very possible that Bauer will face 2 years since no one may want to sign him, but no charges means one year max....
I agree @sportscoach

If MLB tries to go overboard with a 2 year suspension, they lose hands down in arbitration, so their approach has to be measured. At one year, MAYBE they have grounds to stand on as far as precedent, but that is even quicksand in many ways.

Where TB really faces a problem is if the Dodgers pay him to not play after MLB does whatever they will do. Because he will need to be back up on a mound, for other teams to gauge how radioactive he is, before his Dodger contract runs out. And if they pay him to stay home, that will not have happened.

But my informed personal opinion is - the current read on this thing is still far to slanted in one direction. With the short time that has elapsed, the additional information that has surfaced, the rulings by one third party neutral arbiter (LA Superior Court Judge) and the length of time without criminal charges being file, the initial outcry has clearly become more tempered. That process will continue. Two more neutral third party arbiters (LA county DAs, Pasadena police) will weigh in soon, more facts will surface and the tide flowing towards "ban Bauer for life" will lessen. I think it is still just a little early to render a verdict where this thing ultimately ends up.
 
And therein lies the rub.

Crime versus consensual act made public.
Jup, you shoulda bolded the "covered act" 'cuz that's what MLB and the MLBPA have agreed to as the basis for discipline. Iow, they don't need no stinkin' crime'.
 
Jup, you shoulda bolded the "covered act" 'cuz that's what MLB and the MLBPA have agreed to as the basis for discipline. Iow, they don't need no stinkin' crime'.
Probably correct on the bolded @DJJOE, was just a short hand way of making a point. That being, the point of the policy :

just cause by the Commissioner for a violation of this Policy in the absence of a conviction or a plea of guilty to a crime involving

is/was directed towards a transgression that would be commensurate or within the bounds of what is bolded above. It is not directed towards a consensual act made public. So "the intent" of the policy not just the letter of it will be in play.

Player goes out with girl and they have some S,M,B & D fun. She posts something about it. Consensual act made public. No crime no charges. In this case, the accuser alledges so it becomes public, claims more than consensual occurred. However, legal authorities weigh in and say - nope, consensual - no crime no charges - consensual act made public. Slippery slope adjudicating what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.

The policy is not written to control consensual behavior, so the intent and the design of the policy becomes a factor. Does it even cover the scope of the activity? And if it does, how do you weigh the fact that only the accuser, who has already been found to have misrepresented the facts to the court, is the only person (besides the media) saying that it is/was not a consensual act. So he said she said becomes the basis for your determination of a career ending type suspension. Not sure that flies with an arbitrator.

I am sure MLB will be mining every single interaction TB has had with any female, to try and show a pattern of behavior, which gets them beyond this single case, because that may be their best bet to try and overcome the obvious problems with having to take this case to arbitration as a stand alone.
 
Essentially Bauers official suspension rides upon if he is charged with anything at the end of the day. If convicted MLB is in the driver's seat, if he isn't, Bauer will win arbitration against the suspension if over a certain number of days...
 
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I honestly don't give much of a shit about this Bauer stuff. Until charges (if they ever are) are pressed by law enforcement he is just a scumbag/sexual deviant. Guys like Ozuna are far more criminal.

MLB will have a hard time preventing him from actually playing again ultimately. However, a ML team actually allowing him to do that is a whole other story.

As of now, the Dodgers will likely try to put him on the restricted list but still pay him some if it not all of what his contract guarantees. If he decides that's unacceptable and opts out, another team would be unlikely to sign him ala Bonds.
 
One of my all time favorite members of the Tribe...

The arm holding that beer earned him just under $117 million dollars in his career, which I'm sure goes a long way in the Dominican. Colon probably had the best arm attached to the worst body in MLB history, as this photo clearly shows.
 
So I'm curious on the whole Bauer issue. I understand the consent arguments, but I'm curious; set that question aside for a moment. Are we all good w/ this then, otherwise? If she hadn't passed out, clouding the consent issue and everything else is the same. This shit OK? I thought we're out of the business of what goes on in the bedroom, so to speak?
 
So I'm curious on the whole Bauer issue. I understand the consent arguments, but I'm curious; set that question aside for a moment. Are we all good w/ this then, otherwise? If she hadn't passed out, clouding the consent issue and everything else is the same. This shit OK? I thought we're out of the business of what goes on in the bedroom, so to speak?
Well, this isn't 'bedroom' nor is it 'domestic' and probably isn't about sex. Bauer wasn't injured or roughed up. He's a predator victimizing women whose weird sexual desires make them easy prey. Sex isn't about professional athletes or anyone else beating the hell out of a woman to satisfy an inhumane and weird urge of their own. And MLB and MLBPA aren't, I hope, in the business of imposing this monster on your town or mine. The Treatment and Intervention section of the Joint Policy ought to be read by anyone envisioning a Bauer return to MLB.
 
Well, this isn't 'bedroom' nor is it 'domestic' and probably isn't about sex.

Whatcha mean here? Are you disputing the nomenclature of bedroom instead of hotel room or am I missing something? You can use behind closed doors as the phrase if you rather, the principle is the same, right?

You're not going to get an argument out of me over the disapproval of the act. Do you feel like all those violent type kinks need to go? BDSM and such made illegal? Is Autoerotic asphyxiation now made attempted suicide? I dunno, I could keep listing examples but there's a metric shit ton of stuff that goes on that I TOTALLY disagree with and think is unhealthy; it's just not my business. Where do you draw the line once we break out the pen? That slope is REAL slippery.

Speaking for myself, that's the interesting thing about this case. The precedent that it sets. I wouldn't want my child involved in either side of that relationship.
 
Inre: 2 year nightmare..

Trevor Bauer's actions, whatever the truth is.. has everything to do with character.. perceived or real.. Unlike the rest of his life... Trevor Bauer will not be controlling the narrative or being able to influence who he is or what he's about.. He will be at the mercy of the sinners and the saints..the puritans and a putrid..

..and make no mistake.. it's what is going to happen... NOT what I think.. because.. like someone sexual proclivities.. it's private business as long as you don't break the law and are caught..

Bauer is caught..
 

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