Ex Indians update

[TxBuckeye]

Bauer is and always has been a douche. You can argue whether this is a non issue or not because it was supposedly consensual and I really don't care which side of the fence you are on. Quite honestly the only thing I care about is Bauer is not our problem any longer and we got a pretty damn good bat out of the deal so let him rot in suspension hell for all I care.

 

[sportscoach]

Inre: 2 year nightmare..

Trevor Bauer's actions, whatever the truth is.. has everything to do with character.. perceived or real.. Unlike the rest of his life... Trevor Bauer will not be controlling the narrative or being able to influence who he is or what he's about.. He will be at the mercy of the sinners and the saints..the puritans and a putrid..

..and make no mistake.. it's what is going to happen... NOT what I think.. because.. like someone sexual proclivities.. it's private business as long as you don't break the law and are caught..

Bauer is caught..

The question now, is what is breaking the law in this situation? Where is the line in the sand going to be drawn? Cause Bauers punishment will be based off of both what the law decides and what the handbook decides.

@DJJOE

No one will ever question the morality of your comments but at the same time if Bauer is never convicted of anything and they try to do a 2 year ban, the MLBPA will likely step in to shorten the ban, not because of morality sake, but because of contractual sake since how can you ban a player for so long that didn't break a single actual law? He broke a moral law, but not an actual law and he will be a PR nightmare, so you will have that as well. He's going to have to finish counseling and whatnot plus likely going to have to take a minor league invite with someone if he wants to be in pro ball again.

Personally I think with Bauer, he had consent but went a little to far with someone who planned on exploiting him from the beginning. If my hunch is true, she's actually more at fault than he is...

 

[Wrathe]

Bauer is and always has been a douche. You can argue whether this is a non issue or not because it was supposedly consensual and I really don't care which side of the fence you are on. Quite honestly the only thing I care about is Bauer is not our problem any longer and we got a pretty damn good bat out of the deal so let him rot in suspension hell for all I care.

I mean, unless it runs deeper than him and Clev w/ players in the current organization; I agree, it's not our issue.

The larger implications are how MLB handles cases like, both from the League side, as well as the Player's Union side. I expect if Bauer gets crucified, you'll see many daggers thrown at other players and things drawn to light to probe where the line is. Sad, but that's where things are just at now.

 

[jup]

The question now, is what is breaking the law in this situation? Where is the line in the sand going to be drawn? Cause Bauers punishment will be based off of both what the law decides and what the handbook decides.


Personally I think with Bauer, he had consent but went a little to far with someone who planned on exploiting him from the beginning. If my hunch is true, she's actually more at fault than he is...

Could be a very insightful comment when this whole thing finally plays out.

 

[CATS44]

95% of possible outcomes fall into two categories...

1) Bauer will continue to rake in a lot of money while not playing baseball in the Major Leagues.

2) Bauer will not continue to rake in a lot money while not playing baseball in the Major Leagues.

The only difference is the amount the Dodgers will be spending over the next two years for Bauers non services.

 

[DJJOE]

Whatcha mean here? Are you disputing the nomenclature of bedroom instead of hotel room or am I missing something? You can use behind closed doors as the phrase if you rather, the principle is the same, right?

You're not going to get an argument out of me over the disapproval of the act. Do you feel like all those violent type kinks need to go? BDSM and such made illegal? Is Autoerotic asphyxiation now made attempted suicide? I dunno, I could keep listing examples but there's a metric shit ton of stuff that goes on that I TOTALLY disagree with and think is unhealthy; it's just not my business. Where do you draw the line once we break out the pen? That slope is REAL slippery.

Speaking for myself, that's the interesting thing about this case. The precedent that it sets. I wouldn't want my child involved in either side of that relationship.

 

[DJJOE]

Whatcha mean here? Are you disputing the nomenclature of bedroom instead of hotel room or am I missing something? You can use behind closed doors as the phrase if you rather, the principle is the same, right?

You're not going to get an argument out of me over the disapproval of the act. Do you feel like all those violent type kinks need to go? BDSM and such made illegal? Is Autoerotic asphyxiation now made attempted suicide? I dunno, I could keep listing examples but there's a metric shit ton of stuff that goes on that I TOTALLY disagree with and think is unhealthy; it's just not my business. Where do you draw the line once we break out the pen? That slope is REAL slippery.

Speaking for myself, that's the interesting thing about this case. The precedent that it sets. I wouldn't want my child involved in either side of that relationship.

I've compared Bauers behavior, in this case, to what was once known as "rolling a q****". About sex only in the most peripheral sense and almost all about a 'license' to commit some violence on someone who thought they were consenting to a sexual encounter. He's published his own list of relationship rules that clearly place himself outside the bounds of the type of sexual kinks among/between partners you're referencing.

 

[Wrathe]

I've compared Bauers behavior, in this case, to what was once known as "rolling a q****". About sex only in the most peripheral sense and almost all about a 'license' to commit some violence on someone who thought they were consenting to a sexual encounter. He's published his own list of relationship rules that clearly place himself outside the bounds of the type of sexual kinks among/between partners you're referencing.

So "Round 1" of their sexually violent relationship was OK? I assume you've seen the text messages, I don't need to drag that stuff out again; she very much enjoyed Round 1 and wanted Round 2 to be even more intense. It's a crazy ass world.

 

[CBBI]

So I'm curious on the whole Bauer issue. I understand the consent arguments, but I'm curious; set that question aside for a moment. Are we all good w/ this then, otherwise? If she hadn't passed out, clouding the consent issue and everything else is the same. This shit OK? I thought we're out of the business of what goes on in the bedroom, so to speak?

Rough sex isn't an issue. A man roughing a woman up within the bounds of legality and consent at her request to fulfil her sexual desires isn't an issue.

If that is what a woman gets her pleasure from, that is entirely her business and I have no issue with it.

But here's the thing and this is a really difficult thing for a lot men to understand, the line is drawn *immediately* when the woman says "no" or "stop" or "that's enough". That's the end of the line. Consent can be revoked or withdrawn by either party at any time for any reason even if consent was given previously.

There's a reason why people who are experienced in these sorts of sexual proclivities often do signed written contracts. Establish the exact limitations up front to avoid any gray area of "oh well we talked about it beforehand and I thought it was ok!" when something goes beyond what one party deems acceptable.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

DeShaun Watson of the Houston Texans is currently being civilly sued by 22 women alleging sexual misconduct. He's not playing and the Texans are trying to trade him. He's probably one of the top five QB's in the game. Supposedly Houston is asking for a huge return and I'm sure that's a factor, but quarterbacks of his ability are rare and valuable, but there have still been no takers.

He's not facing any criminal charges from what I gather. The question is what team will be willing to trade valuable draft picks for a guy who 22 women say he assaulted or took indecent liberties with them. How does a team explain that to its fan base?

"We just want to win, we don't care that he goes around groping women" (or whatever they're saying he did).

The NFL probably has nearly as many female fans as males. Will Watson find a new home? And if they trade for him how do they know he's not some kind of addict who can't stop? They'd look like fools.

If you take away all the potential criminality from the Bauer case you still are left with something like what the Texans are dealing with.

 

[33Y0]

 

[DCTribefan]

In September when team is likely out of contention.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The Mets got a huge bargain!

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

In September when team is likely out of contention.

Mets are three games out of the second wild card with 18 games to play.

 

[Gson]

A great night for Frankie.. also, cemented the Mets' claim of winning the subway series for 2021..